Romney/Ryan 2012: The Giveaway Proof

On the + side, I have seen signs that Congressman Ryan is a fiscal conservative.

If The Republicreditcard Party (my term) takes The White House this time, it would be great if both he & Romney turn out to be actual fiscal conservatives. Rather than FCINO, as The Debtocredit Party (my term) is also.

And it doesn't hurt that Ryan has a good looking head on his shoulders!

(Disclosure to newbies: I support third parties & other political alternatives.)

The Republicans have never been fiscal conservatives. They have increased the debt tremendously.

It comes down to choices and priorities.

The Republican priority is to give more money to the super-rich and provide more tax loopholes to the super-corporations in the rather bizarre belief that this would somehow create jobs. Instead the facts show us it creates more wealth for themselves, usually by allowing them to trade in aftermarket financial vehicles that do not engage in new investing, and by hiding their money in offshore tax havens, Swiss bank accounts, and front corporations in Bermuda. Which is why more and more of the wealth is shifting into fewer and fewer of the super-rich while the middle class struggles to stay even and the working poor descend into poverty.

A strong middle class spends virtually all its money boosting the local economy. Only a tiny percentage of the wealth of the super-rich is returned to the economy - most is hidden from taxation overseas.

Republicans are also big on increasing spending for Defense contractors. They currently are fighting "sequestration." Which means that they are reneging on the agreement they themselves made last year to have an equal amount of deficit reduction coming from Defense spending as from spending on education, health and environmental protection, and other programs that help the middle class and working poor. Screw the middle class, we need to pay trillions to Defense contractors despite their tendency to "misplace" hundreds of billions at a time.

Republicans, and this choice in Paul Ryan as VP nominee, have clearly stated their intentions - increase the deficit by further reducing taxeson the rich while increasing taxes on the middle class, increase spending on Defense contractors while decreasing funding to the middle class, privatizing Medicare, and cutting all regulations that protect the public from abuses of health and safety.

No, Republicans are not fiscally conservative. They merely choose to cut programs they don't like (like those that help the middle class and poor) while increasing spending dramatically on programs they do like. The net result has always been, and continues to be, increasing the debt.

The numbers do not lie, David. Yes, the continued tea party obsession with tax cuts to the rich does promise more red ink.

" ... tax cuts to the rich ... promise red ink."

Tell that to Calvin Coolidge and Clinton, who produced a number of budget surpluses. I include the latter because he substantially reduced the rates that people used to calculate their capital gains and dividends. The biggest beneficiaries of those reductions would have been the richest Americans, because they are the only ones with enough wealth and clout to buy thousands of shares of stock at a time and get in on IPOs.

You guys miss the fact that defense is one of the few things listed in the constitution where the government has a right to tax us and spend on defense. Furthermore all the tax loop wholes and off shore wealth storage is not relegated to only one party. They are both guilty as charged. What is new about this pick is that Paul Ryan is a conservative and not your average republican.

What is new about this pick is that Paul Ryan is a conservative and not your average republican. He is for a reduction in taxes to stimulate job growth and asking the so called poor and middle class to have some skin in the game. This means that they may actual be asked to pay taxes on some of their benefits that they are getting from the government. This will encourage them to be self-sufficient and encourage our leaders to just be more efficient. Yes you were right in that the military is not very efficient with its billons in waist, but the rest of the government has the same level of waist. Only about 30 cents of every dollar is actually used in the intended manner, the other 70 cents is waist or fraud. Time for the whole government to get a wage cut so that we can not only balance the budget, but start to pay down the 16 Trillion dollars ($33,000 per tax payer) of debt that we have accumulated. Mr. Ryan also has a plan to help stabilize Medicare and social security to extend the life of those systems you love so much, in spite of what Obama care has done to kill Medicare. The national debt is just the tip of the iceberg that non conservative like to ignore. There is about 84 Trillion dollars of unfunded liabilities (IOU’s that the government has created without you knowing about it), that equates to about $270,000 for every man woman and child in this country, or well over half a million dollars per tax payer. Where are we going to get the money to pay down this debt that was created in your name? Paul Ryan has a plan and it is far more comprehensive that the democrats plan to ignore the problem, tax only the rich and force the remaining debt only kids and grand kids, while we live high on the hog, creating more debt.

Good point Dave Richards

Good points, both, but I caution you, Clark. Give it time if they Win; though a more decent Man than most, you'll find Ryan not to be much unlike the rest of the average "republicans": Big Government RINO'S.

Mark, that is always a risk. Ultimate power corrupts ultimately. Mr. Ryan is not exempt. In time, he too will have to step down and hand off the conservative mantel to someone else who has not been in politics long enough to be corrupted. That is the way this system was designed to work.

Judging from many of the comments, The Left is obviously:

1. jealous that Paul Ryan is better looking than themselves.
-OR-
2. jealous that he is married & thus 'off the market'.

There will be a LOT of sour grapes if Ryan becomes our Vice Model.

(Did I phrase that right?)

Quite, True, Clark; however, I don't believe that that is the way it was designed. The Constitution is the Design, wouldn't you agree?

True, Hyper. If there's one thing further that the Leftist cannot abide than a Conservative, it is a decent-looking Conservative.

Ask Sarah Palin ;)

Most of us liberals are jealous that both of them have more hair than we do.

Regardless of chronocentric camera angle, Ryan is so good-looking that he needn't hide behind a face-palm.

Or does The Left use face palms to perpetually shield their eyes from truth?

(See! I can not only play with myself, I can play against myself.)

...when a leftist has nothing to say, they do sarcastic things.

H I, the left not only shields their eyes from truth, they run from it. They also like to attack truth as if it's their enemy. ...oh wait ...it is their enemy.

...speaking of the early years.
...some things never change.

So the Koch brothers-owned Paul Ryan, the man who devised the plan to voucherize Medicare and cut health and environmental budgets and increase middle class taxes in order to pay for more tax breaks for the super-rich and increased debt is Romney's pick?

Perfect. Democrats will love it.

At least Romney has made clear that he thinks giving more chances for the 1% to hide their money offshore and allowing more loopholes for the supercorporations to ship jobs and money overseas will somehow, despite history and logic, create the jobs that they haven't created during all this time to date.

So, the Soros-owned Leftists, and their destruction of the Healthcare and Health Insurance Industries, choking regulation, and Wealth redistribution. Perfect. True Americans will reject it.

As usual, nothing you have said is true. Not surprising.

But hey, the only reason you are here is because you got embarrassed on the other post and you desperately feel the need to boost your fragile ego.

Which, ironically enough, should embarrass you further.

Laughs!

You've forgotten to tuck tail between legs, fold your arms, and give us the girlish "goodbye."

...communists love to bash on Capitalists. Half of the Independents are democrats in hiding.

I, as a progressive, sincerely wish to "Thank" the Romney campaign for their choice of Paul Ryan as Mr. Romney's running mate.

Clarity indeed. Is Romney a moderate pretending to be right wing? Or has he decideded to fully embrace tea party because he has to dance with them that brung him? Massachusetts Mitt is dead. Take note, independents.

...gee, hasn't the communist party run the progressive party since around the 1930's?

Why yes they have!!!

Let the hate begin! The politics of personal destruction will now be in full force!

Pssshhh...

...commies can't keep silent on their hatred for Capitalists. It just oooozes uncontrollably from their slobbery lips.

The politics of personal destruction was launched quite some time ago by Obama and camp. They are just revving it up now with the blatant lies by the suspected sexual deviate Harry Reid with HIS magic underwear, and by the lying ad campaigns that they have launched. Prayers going up that Obama and his campaign of lies and smears will crash down around the liberals dishonest necks.

This president has no class and doesn't belong in the White House, he's more at home on the streets of Chicago with the rest of his thugs.

True enough Nate. He is nothing but druggie and a thug . He Needs to get the hell out of our White House.

The problem with the GOP/TP alliance is that Ryan will never be opened to learn from actual experiences as far as economics is concerned.

His budget is designed to attract the 50+ Housekeeper's votes but it goes against reality: when auterity is going on, one has to be very careful about deflation. Because such deflation provokes a drastic tax return fall.

As an example, the very same meal for 4 persons in Greece, in the very same gastronomic (but not international or touristic known) restaurant costs 2 years ago the equivalent of $50.00 and now this is reduced to ... $10.00 altogether, wine included!

Therefore the GDP drops greatly and all budgets, obviously based on tax returns, are disrupted. And when the budgets are aimed to austerity, this is made to the detriment of education, R&D, healthcare and security which includes infrastructures maintenance.

Not everyone suffers from deflation. The wealthy people may be interested in investing but again, presently the best industrial investments are in China, India, Brazil and even Russia.

On the other hand, it is important to take into consideration that $ 1.00 spent by the government initiates investments of $ 11.00.

May I take profit of this comment to underline thatthe most wealthy people can always find ways to organize their investments in order to practically avoid paying taxes? A company set in London, p. ex., will pay 5% taxes on any turnover done out of UK. If on top of this, one adds bank accounts opened in the Caribbean (Bahamas, Virgen Islands, Panama) one will end paying a far maximum 10% taxes on the profits.

Wilson-Mars, your article was relatively okay until you reached the end and took,a pointless swipe at left leaning media. Isn't you article supposedly about Ryan? I suppose you had to keep,a right leaning street cred.
I miss the days in which gather was about more than keeping the conversation "lively"

...looking for some demo-fluff were ya?

LOL

He reminded me of Professor Harold Hill's speech to the citizens of River City
Iowa. for those of you who like "The Music Man."

"The Music Man", is one of my favorites. It's coming from Netflicks this week so I can see it again. Love The Music Man!

"Does your boy rebuckle his knickerbockers below the knee.....I'm talkin about trouble!

LOL! with capital T.

"Mediaotomy" The removing of impurities from MSNBC and immediately transforming them into comments on Gather posts...

ha ;)

LOL! (:>)

Ryan is not an idiot, and he has skill sets. But he can only see the world through one lens: that of a Catholic, Ayn Rand fan. It's a weird lens, since Ayn Rand was an atheist.

Well it is better then the Sal Alinsky Marxist collectivism lens that Obama looks through through.

...wow, you know him that well Chris?

ayn rand was an odd person who is far from beloved by most atheists.

Are you under the impression, maree,, that the world atheist clique has secret hand signals and has a secret global conference every 3 years? Not happening. The average atheist would be left wing, but we have a few extreme rightists like Rand as well.

rands worldview, the only thing in the absence of God that matters is ME, is not the prevailing currnt of modern atheism.
It's more like"Many things matter in the absence of God, chief among them human progress and the human future."

but again, as an earnest Catholic, hard to understand Ryan's devotion to Ayn Rand's theories of militant individualism. Catholicism is Not a religion of militant individualism. it's odd.

That's all they have on Ryan!

Maybe we can force an investigation into the unsolved murders of Obama's Alleged Gay Lovers In Chicago. I think that would be real interesting.

YEAH!

MAN!! THAT looks pretty

"RMoney" is still at the top of the ticket. Sure you want to vote for a president with a name like that?

I lold.

The difference....

ya

Yep, that's all Obama's got, criticize and divide us. When have you ever seen such a mean-spirited president?

Not in my lifetime.

Yep I think that is exactly what is going on. The Leftie bigots hate the Irish.

Cut spending, simplify taxes, save Medicare, NOT the Ryan plan. The Ryan plan is to:
Tax cut the RIC-increase taxes on the poor
Reduce spending on those with low incomes
INCREASE spending on military
Do a bait and switch with Medicare- for those who are under 55, take them out of Medicare and put then into a coupon system in which their credit will not cover their future medical costs

It is what it is

I disagree with all that you said.

Yep it does!!!!!

So, Chris, How do you describe the Democrats actions to fix Medicare and the debt?

The level of discussion on this post has set a new low. Angry hatred spewing out all over the place.

In 2008 John McCain won the Republican nomination but was seen by the rising extremist faction on the right as a RINO, not conservative enough. So, in desperation he tagged unknown Sarah Palin as his VP, hoping her sex appeal and 'red meat ' conservatism would bring the faithful to him. Palin was immediately exposed as an intellectual lightweight (a kind assessment) and experientially not ready for prime time.

In 2012 Mitt Romney won the Republican nomination but was seen by the rising extremist faction on the right as a RINO, not conservative enough. So, in desperation he tagged Wisconsin Congressman Paul Ryan as his VP, hoping his sex appeal and 'red meat ' conservatism would bring the faithful to him. Ryan's budgetary hocus pocus (eliminate the deficit by 2040 while running up trillions more in debt over the next 28 years, gut medicare --oh, wait, maybe not gut it entirely, just give it a deep stab in the abdomen but then forget about eliminating the deficit before 2050 -- and give the uber rich another, bigger break on their taxes and send the bill to the middle class and poor so they can 'have some skin in the game {and we mean skin, not money} to magically create jobs with a formula already tried and failed) will not stand up to the glaring light of campaign exposure and Ryan will be exposed as an Ayn Rand follower lacking in any compassion at all for anyone and experientially not ready for prime time.

Meanwhile, it is true that Obama and the Democrats do not have a proposal for eliminating the deficit and are focused on criticizing Ryan's Dickenson era solution.

The fact is that the only way America is going to overcome its debt and deficit crisis is by doing what no political dares to openly say they will do: raise taxes to levels that all other countries pay and lower defense spending in line with the percentage of their GDP that other countries spend.

*Dickensian, not Dickenson.