Birther Madness: Trump and Romney Partnership Means Win for Obama

Obama will lose.

Ooooooh-hoooo-woooo, whacka-whacka-whacka, zeeeeoooop, zeeeeeooop, bawunka-toooook.

These are the sounds I imagine going off in the heads of the birthermaniacs sub-species of the rightwingnut tribe. I may be off a litte, but its a sure bet that there is nothing more intelligent going on there.

Ooooooh-hoooo-woooo, whacka-whacka-whacka, zeeeeoooop, zeeeeeooop, bawunka-toooook.

These are the sounds I imagine going off in the heads of the birthermaniacs sub-species of the rightwingnut tribe. I may be off a litte, but its a sure bet that there is nothing more intelligent going on there.

Rory, I think I love you.

But I wanna know for sure~oops, just stirred up an old Troggs memory~still love those guys!

So I'm going to leave a note on my desktop to come back to this article on Election Day and see whether or not Optimus Paradigm removes his comment.

:)

George Will Calls Donald Trump a 'Bloviating Ignoramus'.

This morning on "This Week," ABC News' George Will called Donald Trump a "bloviating ignoramus," questioning why presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney is associating with the real estate mogul, who once again falsely questioned President Obama's birthplace this week.

LMFAOL!

The Donald (Trump, not Duck) – Or, Can the Tea Party be Trusted to Vote Like Adults?

Is the Pope bare in the woods?

and birthers will implode !!!

From your keyboard to God's ears, Paradigm.

All this time I've been thinking Obama was born in Kenya. Now that Chelsea assures me he was born in the US, I'm feeling SO much better. Snort.

LOL I strongly believe that the Old Guard, their intolerant and narrow views are slowly being phased out and will soon go the way of the Dodo. The Old Guard and their minions are in the last throes of their hate filled lives. They are fighting hard to keep their clutches on society but it is futile fight. Their kind is no longer wanted or needed.

Gasp! Bad, bad Juan. I'm in the last throes of my hate filled life? I'm not ready to end.
I don't know where the Dodo went but I'm doing my best to hang in here a while longer. I'm indeed trying to clutch my easy chair. I'm not going anywhere except out to vote in due season :)

Here is where you got it wrong, Viki: "All this time I've been thinking..."

Clearly you haven't.

Well you know what they say Rory...be a conservative it's easier than thinking.

There sure are a lot of smart alec women on this post :)

You know how it is Ken, Republican and Democratic women can be very smart alec & big Headed. And of course you men are worse than we are :)
We spent years scratching each others eyes out over politics and ... I don't know. Society changed. It's civil now.
Try it. Treat her like a lady and she will delete you for sure. :)

Dear friends, Obama and Bush are both the same. Mitt Romney and Obama are both capitalists, warmongers, zionists and puppets of Wall Street and the corporate ruling class. Under Obama and Mitt Romney the rich will get richer, and the poor poorer. What we need in USA is a socialist workers party in the White House. Like the French who voted a socialist option. Capitalism only benefits the rich.

Read this article about US Imperialism's quest for global dominance and how both Democrats and Republicans are destroying the economy of America by spending 60% of US budget in imperialist wars:

Syria, Yemen, and America’s Quest for Imperial Dominance

Neo-Imperialism by Faux-Democracy, Terrorism, and Propaganda.

By Eric Draitser

At the G8 summit last week, President Obama and other officials in his administration, began utilizing the talking point of Yemen being a model to be emulated in Syria. Ostensibly, they were referring to the “peaceful” transition of power in Yemen as an example of what they would like to see in Syria. However, the comparison goes much deeper than simply this superficial connection. The truth is that Yemen represents, in more ways than one, the blueprint that the US imperialist ruling class would like to see applied to the escalating conflict in Syria.

Puppet Regimes and Faux Democracy

The “transition” of power in Yemen, from Saleh to Hadi, is a prime example of the hypocrisy of US policy, touting it as a victory for democracy while concealing the obvious fact that it was the creation of a puppet regime. Abed Rabbo Mansour Hadi has been presented as the legitimate leader of Yemen, despite the fact that he was the U.S. choice to govern that country. His legitimacy depended on the myth of a democratically elected regime; the US propagates this myth wantonly, pretending that people won’t remember that Hadi ran unopposed in February.

If the purpose of democracy is to create forms of governance accountable to the citizenry and to establish a government that is truly representative of the people’s desires, then it would be an outright lie to call the Hadi administration anything close to a democracy. In fact, as recent developments in Yemen have shown, his regime is nothing more than a puppet government, put in power by the United States in order to allow the CIA and other shadowy entities free reign to use drones, Special Forces, and other covert operations in what is supposedly a sovereign nation.

Not only is Hadi, the former vice President under Saleh, not democratically elected, he is the antithesis of progress in a country that was on the front lines of the Arab Spring. The people who marched through the streets of Sanaa and other cities across Yemen did so with the intention of effecting change in a country which, in the eyes of many, was seen as a backwards dictatorship. However, despite all the rhetoric about hope, change, and progress from the US State Department and the White House, President Obama and his minions, including John Brennan (counter-terrorism advisor and frequent representative of Obama in Yemen), immediately lent their support to Hadi. The betrayal came as no surprise to any informed observer as the United States was only interested in its own strategic interests in the region.

US Tactics and the Geopolitical Imperative in Yemen

US interest in Yemen is certainly not rooted in altruism or a desire to promote democratic ideals. On the contrary, it is the application of a long-standing geopolitical strategy to control international trade through the Mandab Strait and Suez Canal, access to African raw materials, and most specifically, block the expansion of Chinese economic influence in both the Middle East and Africa. For these reasons, the United States has a keen interest in both Yemen and Somalia, desperate to maintain chaos in those countries so as to prevent stable, nationalist leaders from emerging. In so doing, Washington once again shows itself to be an imperialist aggressor, interested only in maintaining and expanding the empire.

The tactics of this strategy are myriad. First and foremost, the US, in accordance with long-standing policy dating back to the Carter administration, uses the red herring of “Islamic extremism” and terrorism, to justify any actions it deems necessary for the advancement of its own agenda. In places like Afghanistan and Yemen, the enemy is Al-Qaeda which must be fought with US military might, while in Libya and Syria, Al-Qaeda is an ally fighting against the oppressive regimes of Gaddafi and Assad. This duplicity should come as no surprise since Washington’s foreign policy is based on expanding US hegemony rather than promoting any ideals.

The second aspect of America’s imperialist strategy is the fomenting of ethnic, tribal, and other sectarian conflicts. In doing so, Washington is able to prevent the emergence of any form of nationalism that, by definition, would stand in opposition to US imperialism. One must simply look across the Mandab Strait for an example of this strategy: Somalia. A nation of strategic and geographical importance, Somalia has been effectively destroyed by US policy over the last twenty years, having been transformed from a proud nation to a loose collection of tribal groups dominated by repugnant warlords with no regard for national identity.

In Yemen, we’ve seen this strategy employed vis-à-vis the Huthi rebellion, the propagandistic use of tribal groups as proxies of Saudi Arabia, Iran, or whomever the US wants to demonize, and countless other examples of these sorts of divisive tactics. In this way, the imperialists are able to keep Yemen fragmented, using it as a pawn on the geopolitical chessboard.

A Connection Between Yemen and Syria?

With all this talk about Yemen, the question might be, “So, what’s this got to do with Syria?” The answer to this question can be found in an analysis of the social movements of the two countries. In Syria, just as in Yemen, there is a real, pro-democracy opposition that took to the streets in hopes of forcing reforms. Both movements began with high-minded ideals and sought to end what they perceived to be the outdated rule of dictatorial leaders. However, unlike Yemen, Syria has been under assault by West-sponsored, foreign mercenary terrorists who have usurped the title of “opposition”, thereby making the real opposition into a mere irrelevancy on the international stage. The United States and its proxies in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Israel, and elsewhere are responsible for this reprehensible turn of events.

And so, when the Obama administration claims that the Yemeni model is the best course of action in Syria, what they mean is that their tactics of subversion through terrorism are simply a means to an end. Just as in Yemen, the United States seeks to topple Assad and install a puppet government, one that would be comfortable under the thumb of the imperialist ruling class. The US has no interest in protecting the rights of the ethnic and religious minorities or the real opposition (namely the National Coordinating Committee and the Popular front) in Syria, just as they had little interest in furthering the democratic aspirations of the people of Yemen. Rather, Obama and those who control him, seek regime change in Syria in order to use that nation as a geopolitical chess piece against Iran, Russia and any other nation unfortunate enough to be deemed an “enemy” of the United States.

Eric Draitser of http://www.stopImperialism.com

Source of article: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31424.htm

NOT INTERESTED!

IT IS TIME FOR ALL AMERICANS TO HATE THE DEMOCRATS AND TO HATE THE REPUBLICANS !!


DUMP THE DEMOCRATS AND DUMP THE REPUBLICANS IN YOUR LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU HATE IN THIS WORLD !!

IT IS TIME FOR ALL AMERICANS TO LOOK TOWARD A THIRD PARTY AS A SOLUTION FOR AMERICA !!

Way to hijack a post, Raddy.

Radical "IT IS TIME FOR ALL AMERICANS TO HATE THE DEMOCRATS AND TO HATE THE REPUBLICANS !!

Much of what you say may be true. I don't trust our President Obama. There's so much I don't know right now.
But this I know without even knowing you, you have nothing to offer any of us except your hatred for Americans, capitalists, and Jews.

Scram.

It is true that Republcrats and Democons are interchangeable, in general, and both are tools of the corporatist agenda. Their differences are that the Democrats pretend to be liberal when they are, in fact, very right wing, and Republicans have been hijacked by the wingnut lobby.

A third party may eventually break this death grip on the body politic of the American republic, but not before a lot more damage and decline occurs, sadly.

What USA needs is a United Socialist Front for the 2016 elections composed of the progressive anti-war, anti-corporations leaders of America like Ralph Nader, Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Amy Goodman, Sean Penn, Stewart Alexander, Jerry White, Cindy Sheehan, Bradley Manning, Jessy Jackson, Ray Mcgovern, Alex Jones. And all the anti-war socialist, libertarian progressive activists of USA and americans who HATE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND WHO HATE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY !!

IT IS TIME FOR ALL AMERICANS TO HATE THE DEMOCRATS AND TO HATE THE REPUBLICANS !!


DUMP THE DEMOCRATS AND DUMP THE REPUBLICANS IN YOUR LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU HATE IN THIS WORLD !!

IT IS TIME FOR ALL AMERICANS TO LOOK TOWARD A THIRD PARTY AS A SOLUTION FOR AMERICA !!

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Sorry, Radical, but hatred is never the answer. We have too much of that already.

KBO

Thus far, the author of this article has not chosen to censor "Radical" nor "You", for the less than proper comments which you have written. However, if she did, she would be within her right to do so under the rules of this website.

If the rules are not to a members personal liking then they should not become nor remain a member. The alternative, would be to remain a member as a reader of articles and posted comments only. Thereby, avoiding the potential of having a comment removed for breaking the rules in one form or another.

Gather News expects all members to be educated adults and does not take into account that some people may join this website who are not intelligent enough to actually read and/or comprehend the rules. Unfortunately, it matters not to the staff and authors, educated or dumb, if you disobey the rules, you are subject to having your comment removed. (censored)

BTW: The Avatar you have chosen properly represents the mental state you have projected in your comments to this article.

LIARS can't handle the truth!

No, you can't, and I think that is why she deletes you, if I had to guess....

Has anyone else noticed that the ravings of Radical Change are neither radical left nor radical right, but a strange amorphus combination of the 2, with no clear agenda or policy? Maybe its just me, because I have seen it before. The insane left, and the insane right have a lot in common, besides of course, their mutual insanity.

I think Raddie is an alter-provocateur. No one talks/writes like that and means it.

I have, and in fact I wonder if RC may not be a genuine commenter but a troll pretending to be commie. It could be that having grown up in the waning phase of a softish communist regime, I was exposed to more parodies of what a communists would say than the real thing, but that bolded all caps italicized knock-off of Castro's ¡Socialismo o muerte! sounds just a tad over the top to me.

Cross post with Chuck. :)

CHAR: WE HAVE 2 OPTIONS IN THE USA: AN HUGO CHAVEZ SOCIALIST SYSTEM OR DEATH !!

CHAR: YOU KNOW HUGO CHAVEZ AND FIDEL CASTRO ARE MY FAVORITE CELEBRITIES, MY FAVORITE ROLE MODELS. THE 2 PERSONS I ADMIRE THE MOST IN THIS WORLD !!

AND I HATE GLENN BECK, I HATE MITT ROMNEY, I HATE DONALD TRUMP, I HATE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, I HATE THE TEA PARTY, AND I HATE ADAM SMITH (THE INVENTOR OF CAPITALISM) AND I HATE THE FREE MARKETS !!

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And you hate Jews.

You'll be happy to hear Glenn Beck's influence is mushrooming from one country to the other. His internet channel is doing great.

I suggest you take your meds

And stop shouting...

How 'bout Chairman Mao, the Great Helmsman? What is he, chopped liver? And aren't you forgetting to spit on the American flag and the baby Jesus? Come on, give it a little more juice.

Lol

Chelsea, we couldn't be more opposite, but for some reason I thought you were funny coming down the article. Oops. Funny, like in fun :)
I'm not too outspoken (I don't think) but I like people who are.

I'm a little unsure whether or not Mr Trump could be under anyone. I don't think he can. I think he'd be open about that.

As long as Mitt asks Newt Gingrich to run the finances I'm OK. Newt is the one that balanced the budget for President Clinton.
He might be a little hard to get along with, but he knows his stuff.

ur right about that -- gingrich is good with $$

Newts a little too good at balancing his own budget, for me...

I heard that little attitude in her voice ron :) It was funny.
Sarcasm is my favorite.

It would appear that like Donald Trump, Mitt Romney has business sense, but absolutely no common sense. If he did, he would not go anywhere near Trump, much less, attend a Los Vegas party organized and hosted by Trump.

Once again, Thank you Mr. Romney for all you are doing to make Pres. Obama's 2012 re-election campaign a success.

Apparently, you were mentally unprepared to comprehend that which I had written in my comment.

I only addressed my comments to the issue of Mitt Romney attending a party hosted by Donald Trump. Nothing more, nothing less, just a simple opinion on the issue.

How in the sane world you were able to read something which was not written is a mystery which only you can explain. But, nevermind, I really don't want an explination, reading your first comment was enough. I prefer to debate with rationally reasonable people. Never with radical extremist having some personal conspiracy agenda to promote.

The socialist gets to stay, but you don't?

"the socialist" isn't being rude to other posters.

I told him I wasn't interested, so he writes a quantity of responses to my non responses? That is very rude.

then ignore him -- he's not violating the TOS (yet)

KBO

You may well be right, but, guess what, there's nothing which you can say or do which will change the fact the Barack H. Obama is the President of the United States. Both your president and mine, that is, unless you have plans to renounce your citizenship. If that is the that case, then good bye, may your days be better, it is for sure, that our's will be.

He's/she's delusional, and may not be right is way to soft. emphatically wrong, and demented about it would be more accurate.

This post and the comments are going to be an hilarious thing to look back on come December.

I know.. comedy gold from the birther end, as always

"KenyanBorn Obama May 26, 2012, 8:03pm EDT
YOU SHEEPLE ARE PATHETCI!!!"

I lold.

lol

KBO


From the ranting and raving notable in your posted comments, it would be reasonable for any sane person to deduce that you are living in a delusional world of fantasy thoughts, incoherent reasoning and hate filled rhetoric. The sum of which appears to be all jumbled up in your head and causing you great consternation and excessive anxiety.

Dude, you really need to chill out for your own welfare. It is apparent that you are teetering on the brink of a self induced, mental breakdown. The sad thing is, you are making yourself ill over matters to which you have no control. Once again, serious advice, chill out for your own sake.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/obama-and-his-pot-smoking-choom-gang/

So?

Yaaaa. Thanks Chelsea, for a great and interesting gathering. You put a party together well :)

I know, Glome. All it takes is for me to post an article and the rabids come running reeking of desperation :)

I'm contagious ... watch it girl.

I'm immune ;)

Woo woo !! :)

Comments from "kenyanborn obama" won't be allowed anymore.

He resorts to ad hominem attacks and other lunacy when the grown ups don't want to play with him.

I suggest he find a forum of his own kind and not bother those who have higher standards of "thinking" than these two:

I'd be willing to bet he's some member's alter!

I think so too ms Lady,
There's just a feel you get about these alters. You don't know who they are, but you know you know them. :)

What do you mean there's a feel you get about these antlers? Of course there is, they hurt!

Hey Cathi L!! :) Not antlers silly girl ... alters. Like alter-ego. All the new little yellow heads pop in and you can tell by the way they jump into it they are old timers. Not just newbies that are feeling their way through :)
I forgot how much I missed you : (

Miss you, too, love! Looks like alter madness hasn't stopped but only gotten worse. If they were old timers, they would know better how to handle an alter, so my guess would be someone who has joined in the past 2 years or less.

Hope you are doing well! I wouldn't vote for Romney if he popped out of a hole in my yard and offered me the world!

Huh! No ... I'm not feeling any shock. I remember that about you. Quite truthfully, I don't think either one of us has much of a choice :)

Bummer, huh? Me? I'd rather talk about alter antlers. :o)

I'm to lazy to read, so tell me, does all this gobbledy gook you have quoted, affirm that President Obama is an American citizen or does it prove that he isn't or does it just prove nothing at all ???

Ron Paul will run 3rd party and Ronamanics will vote for him. The ones that are so biased and bigoted they cant see straight will stay home rather than vote for a mormon. The nutjobs will vote for Romney even though they have stated over and over they dont like him, hypocracy wont bother them much they are used to living that life.

The normal ones will vote for Obama.
Obama will win, heads will explode. I will laugh.

ditto.

Come on little girls ... who cares if he's a Mormon or that he's white?
Oh wait ... what is this? "The nut jobs will vote for Romney... even though they've stated they don't like him."

There is no comparison between my 3rd choice, Mitt Romney and my 0 choice, the current President Obama.
Besides ... I never said I was normal.

Good thing, lol.

Look many of us are glad we have the first black president in President Obama. But every time anyone criticizes anything about him does not equate to "racist". That is not logic. It plays well to popular media. But think about it. Do you really think Romney is a racist or Trump? I kind of doubt that... And there are black "birthers" out there. Are they all racists.... That is my point..

kevin agreed. what I see as racism are the idiots that dont like the POTUS because he is a socialist or communist or loves welfare and plans on making this country into a welfare nanny state...that is racism. Opposing his policies is not. However very few people know what his policies are. Oh and I forgot he is a Muslim.

When Obama is criticized with over -the-top vehemence for actions that are not far removed from those of past presidents, that is racism. Reagan ran enormous deficits and conservatives deified him, while Obama is vilified for it. Bushstarted the recent wars and Obama is called a war monger as a result. No one questioned the citizenship of Spiro Agnew, son of a Greek immigrant or Panamanian born John McCain, but Obama's eligibility for office is a major conservative talking point.

That is racism.

It could just be blind hatred and resentment though Rory. Some Rep and some Dem spew venom at each other :)

I think the biggest way to determine racism is to listen to the ones that can't quit talking about it. You know, the D's :)

I don't want him to be my President because he lies, also, he lies, and on top of that, he lies.

Glome and which specific lies are you talking about?

Do you mean the he is a socialist, communist, muslim lies?

But I do think he's really, really cute.

Lori, are you the pink car Lori? Without pictures I can't remember who 1/2 the people are :)

Yesterday, he actually said he indebted us less than Bush and ???? I can't remember the whole statement. I went into shock at the first 1/2 the comment :) Not. I just can't remember. He does not give accurate stats on unemployed and the # of jobs he's created.
You'll have to admit he sometimes can hardly make eye contact with Netenyahoo :) His bitterness seems to run pretty deep. You can easily tell by his demeanor when he is even talking about them.
So many things he has lied about but my mind isn't cooperating on bringing up some of detailed ones. I keep thinking I'm going to keep a written list. OK, I just set aside a tiny note book & pen by my chair. I'm going to start Today.
Lori, I think that President Obama really thinks socialism is best for us. He is concerned about the underprivileged but doesn't realize the driving power of people doing without things. I don't mean we should turn off the services to people that cannot help themselves ... only those that do not support themselves. I hate for him to teach a whole generation of people that they are 'owed' these things by others. I tend to be lazy. Or at least would rather read and play then do boring work. I can empathize :) But not giving into laziness.
I couldn't believe him yesterday actually stating he has run the the debt up less than ??? many - (I think) other Presidents. That is not true. Anyway, give me some time to keep a list. I checked out the "Obama lies" on the net the other day but there's no way of telling if those are just politics or not.

Yes I am that Lori.

Statistically he is correct. Reagan ran the debt up more percentage wise than either Bush or Obama.

Simple econ lesson.

If you owe a dollar and you are charged 100% interest in one day for that dollar then you pay $2.

Now if you owe $10 at 50% interest then you owe $15.00 a lower amount percentage wise however a higher amount dollar wise.

But you dont pay the same price for goods and services as you did back in 1980's with inflation and cost of living increases.

So you have to look beyond the hate to the facts but most people just continue to hate and dont bother with the rest. So you arent alone glome.

I tend to agree with Glome. When people can't stop talking about race,it seems to mean that proving "racism" is probably their life's work. These are the so-called "race-baiters",and they seem to have an interest in seeing that no one gets along,rather than agreeing with each other..

Glome, go here, and maybe I can explain it to you. Obama has spent less than any president back to Eisenhower, the massive deficit is the results of the financial meltdown Bush caused. In actuality, adjusted for inflation, Obama's actual spending is declining at a 1.4 percent per year rate. That is better than any president back to Nixon when we were reaping the savings after leaving Vietnam.

Actually, I think Romney very well might be. He grew up at a time when the Mormon church was teaching that the darker your skin, the less chance you would have getting to heaven. Of course, the man doesn't even connect on a personal level with his own staff, so it might just be that he holds all people that aren't of his church, or of his family, in contempt.

You would think that Norman however the rest of the world that does view racism as a huge problem tends to disagree with you.

OK ron ... I'm going to read it but don't think I'm going to buy that bit about Obama isn't accountable for bailing out all those people instead of letting them fall. We were unhappy with GWB did it once. We're not going to excuse President Obama anymore than we do President Bush :)

The bail out was BUSH the stimulus was OBAMA.

And are you still upset that Reagan bailout not only Chrysler but Harley Davidson too.

Ron, let's talk about something besides race.
Why was President Bush so Wrong by giving our money to business's (and he was) and you think it's OK for President Obama to give what? 10 X as much over all. (I have no idea how much:) Then you don't even count it as his expenditures? :) No way Hose. The price of the Obama medical plan just keeps growing. Also, he kept adding wars to wars. He has drug the recession into (I think) the longest recession in America, hasn't built jobs and businesses continue to move overseas.

You are smart ron, you know that article was ridiculous. And I know you didn't buy it either.

Glome you are operating on a fantasy. The affordable care act cuts the deficit, and that's from the CBO. Bush caused a complete world wide financial meltdown, and if you look at it realistically, looking at economic history, your expectations are unreasonable. Did you go read the article, and then the link to politifact. Just because someone has told you a lie, over and over, that does not make it true, and it doesn't mean you have to remain ignorant of the truth.

And the truth is, ever since the Bush collapse worked itself through the economy, we have continual slow growth, and the unemployment has gone down. Before you jump on that, every other president in the modern age has figured the unemployment rate the same, it is only valid as a comparative standard, and anybody that knows much about how it is figured knows all the supposed revelations about it's inaccuracies, they have always been there. Bush did the exact same thing, because that is how it is figured.

And Glome, both Tarp and the auto bailouts were already in process before Obama took office. I'm not sure what bailout you are even talking about, please clarify. Are you talking about the stimulus? Because one thing people don't talk about is that a good part of that total was the tax cuts he gave you and I.

Glome, you said: "I think the biggest way to determine racism is to listen to the ones that can't quit talking about it. You know, the D's :)"

If you think about it for a moment, you will realize what a ridiculous premise that is. Do child molestors go around talking about child molesting? No, they keep it a deep, dark secret. Do murderers go around blurting out their plans to commit murder? Typically, no, they keep that under wraps. Do thieves advertise their profession? No, they hide it.

Why would racism be different? Why would racist go around raising the subject of racism all the time? They wouldn't. They would do exactly what conservative Obama-haters do constantly: protest and deny and cast aspersions on everyone else.

Lori F "So you have to look beyond the hate to the facts but most people just continue to hate and don't bother with the rest. So you aren't alone glome"

Ms Lori F ... I'm going to throw rocks at your little pink car if I see it. Even though I am impressed you don't want me to feel alone :)

Ok for the 532,238th time it is not MY car and threats are never good glome...get a hobby.

Rory people like that will never get it...they think they are superior to someone because they have the right skin color however they dont take into account their ignorance...they are in no way superior to anyone.

And here's how they make up those lies, too.

Ron, Most of the fall was due to the sudden understanding of what trash the default swaps were. he mad dash to not be caught holding the hot potato did it. So, how is that Bush's fault?? I know you think he caused the loans to be reckless, but surely he didn't tell wall street to pyramid it.

OK, just wanted to remember your position clearly.

First of all, Char, he is the one that artificially inflated the housing market those securities were based on, second, he told his SEC to take a completely hands off approach on regulating these banks. Some financial houses were allowed to borrow as much as 30 times their capital to play that game, for craps sakes. That is criminally negligent.

Sorry, I must not have refreshed before I corrected my figures. I got to thinking it was 30 times capital so I went and looked it up.

You are smart ron, you know that article was ridiculous. And I know you didn't buy it either.

No Glome, I made a reply to you, but deleted it, because I sat here and thought about it, and I'll tell you what, I believe parts of it, because parts of it are true, and I also know that the accusations the right makes on much more partisan figure wrangling than that, needs to stop.

The truth is, I don't think any president that inherited this mess could have done better, without artificially inflating some segment of the economy, and we know where that led, with the housing market.

I don't want him to be my President because he lies, also, he lies, and on top of that, he lies.

So you're voting for Romney??????

Romney isnt scary...so he tells less scary lies.

Chelsea,this whole "birther" movement is fueled by the President's reluctance to reveal ANYTHING about his past-notably his academic record;Aren't you the least bit curious? If not,then you would seem to be constrained by your rigid ideology,as most ideologues are.

While you are demanding disclosure, how about asking Romney to do what all others have done, for years, and reveal where his money is invested.

I'm personally a lot more interested in what conflicts of interest a candidate might have, whether or not he personally invests in America, than any school transcript from anybody.

Ok,Ron;Fair enough. But the Constitution demands that our Chief Executive be a native-born American;Aren't you concerned about that aspect of it?

Disclosing how one invests one's money is a private matter;it has no bearing on whether or not that person is qualified to be president.

Not at all, as minus the misleading bs, our law says he is. So does old english common law, to which our laws default, in cases where something is not addressed in our statutes, even today.

Yeah, knowing if Romney vacuums his money here, and invests it oversees may not speak to whether you think he would be a good candidate, but it sure does to me, not to mention I would be interested in whether or not he was highly invested in the military industrial complex as well, looking back on Cheney and his "blind trust" All other candidates in recent history have done this. My question would be, why is he not? What is he hiding, because he sure as hell is hiding something.

See?, what's good for the birther goose, is good for the sane gander, don't you think? ;o)

Court decisions

Although eligibility for the Presidency was not an issue in any 19th century litigation, there have been a few cases that shed light on "natural-born citizen". The leading case is Lynch v. Clarke,[32] which dealt with a New York law (similar to laws of other states at that time) that only a U.S. citizen could inherit real estate. The plaintiff, Julia Lynch, had been born in New York while her parents, both British, were briefly visiting the U.S., and shortly thereafter all three left for Britain and never returned to the U.S. The New York Chancery Court determined that, under common law and prevailing statutes, she was a U.S. citizen by birth and nothing had deprived her of that citizenship, notwithstanding that both her parents were not U.S. citizens or that British law might also claim her through her parents' nationality. In the course of the decision, the court cited the Constitutional provision and said:

Suppose a person should be elected president who was native born, but of alien parents; could there be any reasonable doubt that he was eligible under the Constitution? I think not. The position would be decisive in his favor, that by the rule of the common law, in force when the Constitution was adopted, he is a citizen.[33]

And further:

Upon principle, therefore, I can entertain no doubt, but that by the law of the United States, every person born within the dominions and allegiance of the United States, whatever the situation of his parents, is a natural born citizen. It is surprising that there has been no judicial decision upon this question.[34]

The decision in Lynch v. Clarke was cited as persuasive or authoritative precedent in numerous subsequent cases, including In re Look Tin Sing,[35] on the issue of whether the child, born in the U.S., to two Chinese parents (who were prevented by federal law from becoming U.S. citizens) was a U.S. citizen, notwithstanding the nationality of his parents or the fact that he had traveled to China with them and not returned to the U.S. for many years. The federal court held in a decision written by U.S. Supreme Court Associate Justice Stephen J. Field) that he was a citizen by birth, and remained such despite his long stay in China, cited the decision in Lynch v. Clarke and described that case:

After an exhaustive examination of the law, the Vice-Chancellor said that he entertained no doubt that every person born within the dominions and allegiance of the United States, whatever the situation of his parents, was a natural-born citizen, and added that this was the general understanding of the legal profession, and the universal impression of the public mind.[36]

The Lynch case was also cited as a leading precedent in the U.S. Supreme Court decision in United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898)[37], which similarly held that the child born here of two Chinese parents was a birthright US citizen, and that decision also used the phrase "natural born".[38]

In 1939 the U.S. Supreme Court issued its decision in the case of Perkins v. Elg, regarding a young woman, born in New York a year after her father became a naturalized U.S. citizen. However, when she was about four her parents returned to Sweden taking her with them, and they stayed in Sweden. At age 20, this young woman contacted the American diplomats in Sweden and, shortly after her 21st birthday, returned to the United States on a U.S. passport and was admitted as a U.S. citizen. Years later, while she was still in America, her father in Sweden relinquished his American citizenship, and, because of that, the Department of Labor (then the location of the Immigration & Naturalization Service) declared her a non-citizen and tried to deport her. The young woman filed suit for a declaratory judgment that she was an American citizen by birth. She won at the trial level, and at the circuit court - where she was repeatedly described as "a natural born citizen" [39]- and finally in the U.S. Supreme Court, where the court decision quoted at length from the U.S. Attorney-General's opinion in Steinkauler's Case (mentioned above) including the comment that the person born in America and raised in another country could yet "become President of the United States".[40]

In 1875, U.S. Attorney General Edwards Pierrepont was presented with an query from the Secretary of State, Hamilton Fish, a young man, surnamed Steinkauler (his first name was never mentioned), had been born in Missouri in 1855, a year after his father was naturalized a U.S. citizen. When he was four years old, his father returned to Germany with him and both had stayed there ever since. The father has relinquished his American citizenship. Now the young man is 20 years old and about to be drafted into the German army. What is this young man's situation as a native-born American citizen? After studying the relevant legal authorities, Pierrepont wrote:[21]

Under the treaty [of 1868 with Germany], and in harmony with American doctrine, it is clear that Steinkauler the father abandoned his naturalization in America and became a German subject (his son being yet a minor), and that by virtue of German laws the son acquired German nationality. It is equally clear that the son, by birth, has American nationality, and hence he has two nationalities, one natural, the other acquired. .... Young Steinkauler is a native-born American citizen. There is no law of the United States under which his father or any other person can deprive him of his birthright. He can return to America at the age of 21, and in due time, if the people elect, he can become President of the United States..... I am of opinion that when he reaches the age of 21 years he can then elect whether he will return and take the nationality of his birth, with its duties and privileges, or retain the nationality acquired by the act of his father.

Most of this passage, including the line about being elected President, was quoted approvingly by the U.S. Supreme Court in its 1939 decision in Perkins v. Elg, [22] a case involving a similar question about an American-born girl in Sweden.

In 1904, Frederick van Dyne (1861-1915), the Assistant Solicitor of the US Department of State (1900-1907) (and subsequently a diplomat), published a textbook, Citizenship of the United States, in which he said:[23]

There is no uniform rule of international law covering the subject of citizenship. Every nation determines for itself who shall, and who shall not, be its citizens. ... By the law of the United States, citizenship depends, generally, on the place of birth; nevertheless the children of citizens, born out of the jurisdiction of the United States, are also citizens. .... The Constitution of the United States, while it recognized citizenship of the United States in prescribing the qualifications of the President, Senators, and Representatives, contained no definition of citizenship until the adoption of the 14th Amendment, in 1868; nor did Congress attempt to define it until the passage of the civil rights act, in 1866. ... Prior to this time the subject of citizenship by birth was generally held to be regulated by the common law, by which all persons born within the limits and allegiance of the United States were deemed to be natural-born citizens thereof.

It appears to have been assumed by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case of Murray v. The Charming Betsy (1804) 2 Cranch (6 U.S.) 64, 119, 2 L.Ed. 208, 226, that all persons born in the United States were citizens thereof. ... In M'Creery v. Somerville (1824) 9 Wheat. (22 U.S.) 354, 6 L.Ed. 109, which concerned the title to land in the state of Maryland, it was assumed that children born in that state to an alien were native-born citizens of the United States. .... The Federal courts have almost uniformly held that birth in the United States, of itself, confers citizenship.

All from wiki, but all with footnotes to more serious publications. It is amazing to me that nbo and other birthers have been unable to divest themselves of their delusion. Maybe they are unable to google...

Obama IS a native born citizen


why is this still an issue? Do everyone in the birther movement flat out REFUSE to read?

Well, they must, because if they did, they would not be birthers anymore. The evidence is overwhelmingly against them.

I honestly could never understand how he could be a non citizen since his Mom was a US citizen. So was there some kind of a ruling regarding a higher standard of requirement for President?
I hold him partly responsible because secrecy and hiding so much only causes people to appear that they are secretive and hiding something:) It is unwise of him to be so secretive because most people that are hiding something do so because they don't want anyone to know. I just wanted to state the obvious. How fun.

I wonder why he's secretive. My guess was that he was an outspoken socialist or Muslim in school. But who knows?

If I had jackasses combing my past for crap as juvenile as the birthers have been, I'd seal my records too. There hasn't been a president for many years that didn't try to groom their past before running, and some go to very expensive lengths, like Romney buying up a bunch of state computers so he could destroy the hard drives after he was governor.

Now what do you suppose he was trying to hide?

huh interesting ;)

Maybe Romney was the closet socialist, yeah, that's what I think he was hiding. You getting this message, Glome?

Ron, Please review the last paragraph of this, page 5, and I think you will find it a reputable source.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/74176180/Qualifications-for-President-and-the-“Natural-Born”-Citizenship-Eligibility-Requirement

He took his personal computers with him, not such a big deal as they have made it. It is so rare, it is a normal provision of the law there. Jeez, keep reaching, he probably had a lot of personal stuff on it, too.

I wouldn't be surprised if mitt destroying computers have anything to do with his religion's affiliation with child sex abuse

just sayin

The computer likely contained the names of his other wives.

He took a lot more than his personal computers, Char. He bought up anyone's computer that had a direct connection to him in his administration. The last paragraph of page five is about whether children born abroad to citizen parents are considered natural born, the paragraph above it is the one that would apply to Obama, and confirms what I said.

Here, Char

I don't think his personal business is anybody's business. I would do the same thing if I had the money. Not interested.

That wasn't personal business, it was state government business, and I think I was the guy saying everybody did it, you were trying to say he didn't, which is not true.

It also cost the state a lot of money, for Mitt to do that.

97,000 bucks, to be exact.

Ron "You getting this message, Glome?"
Me I am :)
Truth is ron, you could be right. We all look at each other in proper clothes, combed hair, and smiles .... but some of us are psychopaths. In fact, a relatively high #.
I have just decided most of what goes on in peoples lives needs to be kept private.
Mitt isn't who I wanted but he's better than President Obama :) The reverse of your thoughts. I can't and won't defend Mitt because I don't know anything much about him.

But I have high hopes for him.

Well, I do know about mitt, and obama. I have made it my business to know, because it is every voter's responsibility to know about them, before they cast a vote. Lessor of the evils with these two, and that lessor is Obama.

No way Jose! :)

lol, both Sy, definitely both...

I have thought of that, too. It seems he needs more time, some more judges, after all, he didn't get as much done as he wanted. He really wanted to do something, just wasn't able. We just don't have enough patience for another round of OJT. and Russia and France waiting for after the elections so he doesn't have to care what the people think....

He's both forging birth certificates to appear to be eligible and establishing a precedent, through his ineligibility (I hope that's legible) for suspending the Constitution. In the same way, he's both going to cancel the election (see suspending the Constitution above) and is biding his time until after the election, when he doesn't have to please voters in order to get elected, to suspend the Constitution. It's a quantum thing, like Schrödinger's cat.

*snickers*

No, we don't, Char, another reason not to elect Romney.

Aniko, I certainly never said he was going to cancel the election. If that was the plan he would not have his atty gen stopping all the states from cleaning up voter rules and wanting simple ID's to verify who is casting the votes.

He a whiz! Now you see why we have so much trouble with him girls. If he just wasn't so cute.

I might suggest that people's suspicions of other people who have secrets is just part of human nature. Liberals certainly aren't squeaky clean in this regard: I seem to remember the Dems harping about GW's membership in the Skull and Bones Society at Yale,for instance.

We harped a lot more on his scrubbed arrest record and his scrubbed national guard record.

Damn Ron, you are as bad as me...Don't you ever sleep?

I have pain issues, that's all. Sometimes I can't sleep.

Sorry to hear that...I have a back problem, so I can relate, but I never sleep anyway...This is a true story...I worked a full time job (60 to 70 hours per week) from 7:30 A.M. until anywhere from 5:00 to 7:00 P.M. Monday thru Friday (sometimes Saturday)...I also worked four nights per week as a DJ from 8:00 P.M to 3:00 A.M...I averaged between 2 and 3 hours sleep per night, and I did this for a solid year...

I can only sleep in two hour increments, usually, but if the pain isn't too bad, I can get back to sleep if I try, sometimes I can't, and I end up here or facebook, trying to get my mind off it. I have worked two jobs before, and once I worked three for a while, but nothing like that. One full and two part time, and I still managed four hours minimum. I have worked, though in RR wrecking, and spent as many as thirty eight hours straight doing that. That truly sucked, and I would not care to do it again, though. Couldn't, anyway.

Mary Matalin. They are such an unlikely pair, yet they stay together...go figure.

Perhaps they realize something we don't, that it's just politics. The sun will rise, the sea will still be wet.....

Really, What surprises me isn't that their politics are so different. All adults can agree to disagree without hatred. I dated a DEm for almost 10 years after my husband died, and it made us both more moderate to hear the other side. When it got too hot, we just stopped discussing it for a while... No, what surprises me is that they can do that, since both are too stubborn, IMHO. Just goes to show, they laugh about their jobs at home, just like we all do about office politics at work!

Don't you ever sleep?

Oh Simon, I think you're a little doll. But why does your face keep fading in and out? Is that a Jewish thing for your icon. I can't think of the name.

We'd need a boxing ring for that. Let me build my arms up a little more first :)

Not enough, Char

Glome

My icon is the Greek symbol called Psi, pronounced Sy, like my former name on Gather, before I changed it back to Simon. I dont know if its related to anything Jewish, but I doubt it. If you are one of those gals who likes Jewish guys, let me know, I can always convert. I have changed my religion so many times, it wouldnt be that big a deal.

Hmm. Menorahs as mutated tridents of Poseidon. Interesting!

Thanks aniko. That's the word I couldn't think of. :)

Hahahahaha. KBO thinks he writes truth.

I've reported the spam accounts that have disrupted this thread and ruined the experiences of those who subscribed to this thread. I apologize to all of you for the disruptive behavior of one of the accounts. I apologize for this person, for the incessant email notifications you've all received as a result of the spammer's behavior. Hopefully this behavior will stop, but Gather moderators probably won't be able to remove the spammer's account until business hours.

Again, I apologize for the subscribers of this thread for the behavior of the spammer that HAS been reported for removal (or a stiff warning, unless they've already been warned by the mods for this behavior.)

Wow, 111 comments deleted & counting~this guy doesn't give up! I'd say he's a goner...

She's having a complete meltdown on my twitter right now lol

silly girl... I don't have to be nice on twitter...

He's a she???

allegedly

but let's not talk about it on the article, they're still an official gather member until the mods take a look at their activities, so yeah. heh.

OK by me, but not saying anything bad, just wondering why he/she would go thru all the trouble of commenting knowing it would be deleted (some of the comments were mini essays). Plus, it had to keep you busy all nite deleting!

nah, I'm not "working" tonight and the email alerts push to my phone so it's just a matter of hitting "remove comment" and going back about my business lol

For KBO, when, not if she comes back, lol.

I actually think it's a good thing to make sure our President is eligible, why would anyone have a problem with that?

Oh, maybe when it isn't a campaign to establish his eligibility anymore, as that was determined a long, long, time ago, and becomes a deluded obsession that no longer cares as much about eligibility, and more about the donations of the weak minded that keeps their circus going, and interestingly, employs a lot of people.

I am actually talking about all the candidates, not just Obama.

I've seen many people say that Romney is not eligible either, so why aren't they checking into that also? Shouldn't everryone want our Constitution followed, no matter who it is?

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