Marine Sgt. Gary Stein started a Facebook page for his fellow Tea Party bigots in the military. He went so far as to write on his Facebook that he would refuse to follow orders from his commander-in-chief, President Barack Obama. He is encouraging his fellow military personnel to join him.
The U.S. military has rules that prohibit political statements made by those wearing a uniform. Active military personnel cannot sponsor a political club, speak at a political event or take part in any political media speaking either for or against any political party or candidate. These are the rules.
Stein is trying to say he is within his rights because his free speech is protected under the Constitution. Wrong. The day he signed up for the military he forfeited that right.
Not only is he in violation of the military's rules on politics, he has violated the military code of conduct. Article VI states:
I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.
Stein forgot he's an American and he's supposed to be fighting for freedom and that he's responsible for his actions. He needs to take responsibility for his statements by apologizing to the President and resign immediately or face dishonorable discharge and possible treason charges.
The definition of treason:
A violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state is any act, writing, speech, etc., directed unlawfully against state authority, the government, or constitution, or calculated to bring it into contempt or to incite others to hostility, ill will or disaffection; it does not amount to treason and therefore is not a capital offense
Refusing to follow the President's orders and soliciting followers sounds an awful lot like treason.
This undated photo released courtesy of Gary Stein shows the Camp Pendleton U.S. Marine, Stein, who has been criticizing President Obama on his Facebook page. (AP Photo/Courtesy Gary Stein)
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Sorry for the confusion.
I sincerely hope that this is proven to be some sort of mistake and if not, then it would be my opinion that this man should be summarially discharged under unhonorable conditions without delay.
There is no place within the U.S. Marine Corp. for such openly treasonist dissension and voiced hatred of this country's Commander In Chief, to be harbored by any active Marine, Soldier, Sailor nor Airman.
I did find a page in support of him https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Patriots-for-Sgt-Gary-Stein-USMC/114098405280548?sk=wall
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Charles - Do you really want a military that does NOT have allegiance to the United States? Think about that. If this guy's allegiance is not to America, who is it to?
To this point, I have to make but one comment. When Bush sent our troops into Iraq and they made the discovery that there were no WMD -- not one liberal PUBLICLY betrayed his uniform or his country or his command-in-chief by saying he would not follow orders from Bush.
He just doesn't want to take his orders from a black man. That, together with all the right's propaganda that he's probably been digesting.
At any rate, he doesn't need to be wearing a United States Marine uniform one minute longer.
Charles - Do you really want a military that does NOT have allegiance to the United States? Think about that. If this guy's allegiance is not to America, who is it to?
Out of context Lora. This isn't about his allegiance at all. It's about obeying orders from the Commander in Chief. And you can disobey an order from the Commander in Chief.
Yeah, if you want a dishonorable discharge, you sure can.
No wonder unemployment is so high if people disobey their boss's orders.
There were plenty of military personnel who thought Bush Jr. was a moron and KNEW we were fighting a personal Bush vendetta in Iraq; yet, not one soldier refused to take orders from the idiot-in-chief.
This Stein guy decides he's not going to follow orders from Obama? If he thinks that's going to help get a Republican elected, he is sadly mistaken. It makes him look foolish and it makes anyone that supports him look even more foolish.
2012-ANYONE but Obama!
Bush, Reagan, FDR, JFK, George Washington!
Mitt Romney is only leading his party because he has the most money!
So, guilty until proven innocent? Not the way it is supposed to work.
As for this Marine, he has clearly violated some regulations and should be dismissed, although to attribute racism to the man is a tiresome stretch. Some of us simply don't agree with President Obama's policies.
I believe such smokescreen efforts are a fallback position utilized when those with extremist attitudes and ideology can not defend an exposed action by one of your own. They then verbally attack the president, the messenger and/or the message by attempting to spin the dialogue in another direction. As demonstrated by the above reponses, that would mean, as many false directions as one can possibly conceive. In other words, debate anything but the true subject which is indefensible and therefore, is not to be discussed.
{i.e.} Thus far in the above short debate , the conservatives have attempted to spin the direction of the discussion into;
1) a question of whether or not we owe allegiance to the flag
2) the supposedly the indoctrination of our children in school
3) illustrations and voicing of personal feelings about our president
4) the question of our president's personal wealth
5) a conspiracy theories as to the jet setting with taxpayers money
6) accusations of preceived criminal acts by our elected officials
7) the need to elect another person to replace our president
8) accusations of presidential treasonist acts
9) the non compliance as to the oath of office by Congress and the President
10) accusations that the current president sent military personnel into harms way
I believe my list above demonstrates what is transpiring with most debates here on Gather News, that being, the extremist's effort to change the actual subject of debate when the debate in anyway, puts one of their own in a bad light.
Isn't there a chain of command in the armed services?
And don't they get in serious trouble for breaking the chain of command?
This guy's a member of the armed forces and he's refusing to fight. Worse, he's urging fellow members of the armed forces to also refuse to fight in a time of war. That's called "Fomenting treason." Folks, in an earlier time, this wouldn't even be a discussion. He'd have been executed long since. The military still has the option. There are a couple of instances in which I support execution as punishment. Desertion (which is what refusal to fight comes to so far the the UCMJ is concerned) in the face of the enemy is one of those.
There is also the case of capture, torture and brainwashing. Even the military recognizes that heroic as it may be to lock your jaw in the face of torture, pretty much everyone talks eventually. Of course, there's always gonna be some insanely courageous pain-breaker who cannot be made to talk, but telling what you know to end the pain or keep the guy nest to you from being killed... 's'ok, bro. We'll get 'em next time.
In time of war, (which our country is now engaged in) and on the field of battle, the act of refusing to follow lawful orders to take up arms and fight or engaging in the act of encouraging mutiny among fellow members of the armed forces, such acts may legally result in the guilty person being summarially shot to death on the spot by his immediate superior. (officer or non commissioned officer)
During time of war, but in places other than on the battle field, such mutinist acts calls for a Battle Field Court Marshall with a guilty verdict having an automatic sentence of death by firing squad.
There is nothing in either of these penalties which is against the Constitution. Inasmuch, as our country is engaged in a declared war, the (MCJ) Military Code of Justice, is reccognized by all U.S. Courts of Law, including the USSC, as being the law to utilize for all military personnel.
1) Court Martial (you may select one higher grade than you're offered, up to General Court, but Article 15 ain't in the mix)
2) Conviction of mutiny, treason, sedition, and hokery in the pokery is inevitable
3) Reduction in rank to E-1
4) Confinement in a military prison for some extended period
5) Discharge under other than honorable conditions
No, my previous comment notwithstanding, he probably won't get shot (I still think he should).
If you're in this idiot's position, there ARE provisions for resigning from the service (they tend to be unavailable once you're already IN combat), but they require efforts and risks this guy isn't prepared for.
- order to shoot a prisoner out of hand
- order to torture a prisoner
- order to kill a civilian posing no evident threat
- order to engage in illegal activities (e.g., smuggling, espionage, theft, etc.)
Examples of non-illegal orders:
- orders given by officers in a military that YOU independently believe has an illegal CiC, based on constitutional interpretations of eligibility given by right wingnut constitutional "experts"
- orders that you believe are unconstitutional, based solely on the rantings of right-wing-ding-alings, with no independent (preferably judicial at the federal level) confirmation
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Yeah, he's been ordered to tear down, or has had torn down, his FB account. The military has him in the process now, and things will only get worse for the Sgt. Loss of rank is not automatic, but it always happens. It has to be a deliberate act of the Court Martial board, so it's a real punishment, not 'just' an automatic.
Dammit, Char... I surely WISH you'd learn to THINK! This business of memorizing convoluted ways to get to the right-wing answer is so much more difficult than actually thinking.
The Oath Keepers feel that their sworn oath to the American Constitution, grants them not only the right, but the duty to refuse unconstitutional orders. The Oath Keepers organization has published a list of orders that they claim they will not obey:
Orders to disarm the American people.
Orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people.
Orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.
Orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.
Orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.
Any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.
Any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.
Orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control."
Any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.
Any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.
Two tour veteran of southeast Asi in the 1970s.
Agree with the Oath Keepers.
Also view the vast majority of USA citizens as non-rational, emotion-laden, bleating well-indoctrinated citizen-sheep that have willingly self-applied their mental "slave chains."
And females as being especially illogical and materialistic and unworthy of a honorable, moral and law-abiding male's attentions.
MGTOW-- Google it.
I encourage USA youth to abandon a failed nation-state steadily headed for an oligarchy.
Seek out a country/culture that is appealing and learn its culture and language and depart a "sinking ship."
Few citizen-sheep could comprehend the rationale I could offer for my advice.
Have a nice day.