Health Care Bill Required RFID implanted chip

This is one of the most ridiculous conspiratorial Beckian things I've ever heard.

I have the link so you can read it for yourself, still don't believe?

The 'advanced search' yields no results for any of the terms you cited above. Providing the link to the bill itself is not enough; you are going to have to do some research to verify your claims, preferably by citing the section, paragraph and clause in the 1,018 page document where the requirement is located.

Folks, he's lying. He made a claim and provided a link to the document--and none of the terms entered in the document search feature come up with any results. Zero results. It is simply not there--and not true.

It's true. I checked the same thing. Cite it!

Nope, not a thing.

For ALL the disbelievers: Human Microchips included in Health Care Bill under: HR3200 page 1000.

National Medical Device registry
Sub Title C-11 Sec:2521

“The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of post market safety and outcomes data on each device that—‘‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and ‘‘(B) is a class III device; or ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable.”

I don't know why is there such a chaos on this health bill. Well, as a Dallas resident, what i did was to hire a Personal Trainer Dallas for me to get fit. I guess it is all i need.

Soon we shall see!

OBAMA CARE REQUIRE THE MICRO CHIPPING OF AMERICANS

That's been debunked here
http://www.opencongress.org/articles/view/1202-The-Latest-Healthcare-Rumor-Microchip-Implants

Just read it for yourself Health care Bill H.R. 3200:
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/111/AAHCA09001xml.pdf

Debunked Hum

WHERE in the bill would this portion be?

Now is reality are you ready for this really?

I wouldn't do it...true or not.

Me to, today I wouldn't defend this country today but I would defend on myself from it.

I'm a bit dubious on the RFID Chip claim but you do bring up a good point, what if at some point we have to defend ourselves from our own country? I remember when KAL-007 was shot down by the Soviets in 1983, I was a junior in high school. We were all discussing the Cold War and USA/USSR relations. I asked, as a thought experiment, "what if one day, the USA became the USSR and the USSR became the USA?" Looks like I might get an answer to this. BTW, I posted my thought on Free Republic and another Freeper asked the same question, just after Sputnik went up in 1957.

The AntiChrist and his hordes are well and truly entrenched , I guess, going by what you say, Robert. I'm not surprised, and even though I haven't yet opened the link you provided, there's no doubt in my mind that sooner rather than later, this will be a reality in EVERY country.

As for Big Brother , I've already has practical experience with that Cancer - ten years and counting. All the systems, all the identification of like-minded souls ready to be SOLD -it's started some time ago. I don't say this lightly.

Not even children or aged people are being spared the infection.

And the Antichrist is...?

whoever it turns out to be eventually, Elizabeth. But we'll know for sure the moment a permanent peace accord is signed between Israel and the Palestinians. Whoever masterminds THAT .....

Explain your thoughts on the Peace Accord between Israel and the Palestinians further if you would please Aman, so WE call can understand what you are inferring.

HUGS ~
Rene

I think what he is trying to say is that it couldn't happen. If it did it would be war one way or the other. I heard a theory on this if you could split, divide then re-assign Palestinians to the Sahara Desert. Never happen. I would much rather defend Israels intentions regardless of who attacks them even if its us.

I believe that the Anti Christ will sign a treaty that wasn't earned or he will lie, just like those people are trained almost at birth. Then when he don't get his way surrounds Israel with his multinational army. What does someone do when they are backed into a corner they fight back. Then I believe He will use that army as pawns before God. The world will see this and attack Israel then God will defend his own. I just had this vision while thinking about Revelations a while back.

Rene and Robert, thanks for your patience all this while that I've been gallivanting about on Gather. Rene, my friend, you're truly such a spiritual soul, to have waited this long for a reply to your query and never complained!
((((((((((((((((Rene)))))))))))

In my comment above, I was merely referring to the End Times, and what the Revelations chapter of the Bible has to say about the coming of the AntiChrist. It is why my comment ended so cryptically, because the answer is right there in the closing words ...
"...and whoever masterminds THAT...""

According to the Bible, a certain political leader will suddenly rise to great prominence from somewhere in the Central Asian /Middle-Eastern countries. According to the Revelations, this is how we will be able to identify him as the AntiChrist :

<> He will have a fierce countenance

<> He'll be a real linguist, with mastery over most of the major
languages of the world!

<> He'll be a consummate musician - with the ability to bring people
to tears with the beauty of his singing. (This immediately brought to
mind one of the characteristics of Lucifer when he was an Angel...)

But more than any of these physical characteristics or abilities, it's what this leader will do that will be the clinching factor regarding his being the AntiChrist.

He'll become the darling of the masses all over the world because he'll suddenly bring about a miraculous 7-year peace accord between Israel and Palestine. But beware - for this is a false accord and a false peace which he will use to lull the people of the world to his real identity and nefarious designs...

In just 3 and a half years, he will break this Peace Treaty and unleash his evil armies on the World, declaring War on the then greatest existing nation (obviously, the US).
The complete crash of the dollar would by then have been brought about as one of the ways to pre-weaken the military might of the US ...

You can see how this is fast becoming a world reality already, Rene, from the rising value of the Euro and the economic recession so prominent in the US....

There are many other indicators, but I'll mention just one more - the most intriguing one. The Bible speaks of the two greatest nations in these times, which were for a long time engaged in a cold war, coming together in a stunning turnaround to form an alliance against the armies of the AntiChrist ... inveterate enemies turning fast friends, so to speak.

Compare that contention with what happened last year - in an event which would barely have attracted any attention amongst the masses, yet which would have become another piece of evidence in favour of the Revelations in the minds of those who are aware of these things, the US and the erstwhile Soviet Union (present day Russia) signed an accord on some new technology or the other ( the specifics are on the tip of my tongue, but I can't for the life of me remember it right now!). Maybe it was for a nuclear-powered aircraft, or some such revolutionary new military technology.

But I do remember THIS - they explicitly stated in their treaty that this whole exercise was designed to put up a united front against the bullying and threats of nuclear war by Iran. Do you see how this ties in with all that the Bible has been saying, Rene?

And just a few months prior to that news-item appearing in the local dailies here, I'd had a stunning vision of the AntiChrist, and I saw him appearing from ... guess where, but Iran. Of course, my vision may turn to be completely wrong about the origins of the Anti guy! :)

Whew! Long theological lesson , and I'm sorry if I have unnecessarily cluttered up this post, Rene! But it has been building up inside me for a while now, this whole End-Times/AntiChrist/One-World-One-Government thing. And , to cap it all, my own *personal* encounters with evil in the last ten years have confirmed all this for me in an indirect and subtle way.

Now is reality are you ready for this really?

Perhaps you should look it up yourself. That HR 3200 was presented in two versions, and neither of them passed. Here are the links to both versions.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.3200.RH:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c111:1:./temp/~c111zFh3OM::

If you are interested in the actual bill that passed, see:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:H.R.3590:

And no, I saw nothing about micro-chipping Americans. I did see a part about the Chip type programs, which refers to Childrens Health Insurance Programs.

Who cares even if that was true it was Obama`s intention to have it there and it will we twice as easy to put it back.

"it was Obama`s intention to have it there "

and how do you know this? Was it revealed to you in a prophetic frenzy of spiritual ecstasy? Say baa, baa, Robert.

Ummm..Obama didn't write the bill so how could it have been his intention even if it were true??

How many felons sit in the Congress who AREN'T convicted?

All of 'em!

Thanks Heather! A few facts are always refreshing, especially in the face of this rambling paranoid nonsense in the main post.

"Chip type programs, which refers to Children's Health Insurance Programs"..., boy, what a scary set of programs that is... healthy children? Next thing you know, we'll have healthy adults, too. Then where will be be?

Heaven forbid! Healthy adults might actually vote for the people who want healthy people! What a crime that would be. These paranoid conspiracies are just stupid and woefully ignorant. Someone needs to shed a little light/information/truth on the situation. I generally don't hesitate, especially when I can back up what I'm saying, unlike some others, who I won't mention!

Now is reality are you ready for this really?

It SHOULD require lobotomies for people that spread deliberate lies and distortions of the facts, but I digress...

Julie I am with you on this one.

Julie, some people just can't help their paranoia. Does the new bill cover psychiatric care? That would help!

I haven't read the final bill, but all the proposals I saw expanded mental health coverage. After all the hysteria, good thing!>*

Maybe we should just cut their broadband access... cheaper than the surgery.

Now is reality are you ready for this really?

This is so sad that people would fear monger and believe conspiracy theories like this. Of course no logical person would allow this and if it was true the GOP would have been on Page 1 of the New York Times and on CNN with this, if it was true.

Where do you think the paranoia and fear-mongering comes from? Haven't you seen the commercials recently? Apparently Hell is freezing over, and the world is coming to end now that health care has been passed. Any work in the Senate has certainly stopped!

True, Heather.

Remarkable how, a month ago, about half the people in the US (down from 60%) were against the Health care bill, but when asked about the individual components of this bill, people were uniformly in favor of them. Why? Because the GOP, TBggers et al. have, along with FOX, been lying for two years about the bill (and did nothing to reform health care when they controlled Washington).

The facts actually get people pretty thrilled about where the country is going (except for the sore losers).

Now is reality are you ready for this really?

Robert, delete this garbage post. It's an ASTOUNDINGLY STUPID piece of absolutely untrue fear mongering.

Hear, Hear! I second the motion. Delete, please!

Now is reality are you ready for this really?

Just like the "death panel" lies this is based on a misreading of the clause in the bill. If you read the link I supplied above the real meaning is:

"What this section of the bill actually does is call on the Secretary of Health and Human Services to “establish a national medical device registry to facilitate analysis of post-market safety and outcomes data” on all Class III medical devices and all “implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining” Class II medical devices that have been used on a patient. In other words, it establishes a registry designed to gather data on the effectiveness and safety of the most highly-regulated medical devices."

Like pace-makers.

Exactly! and it seems pretty reasonable to track the effectiveness and safety of things like pacemakers

Sure, pace makers with MICRO-CHIPS IMPLANTED in them!! LOL

Dan, that only holds up if every citizen is required to have some sort of surgery to implant a pacemaker.

Get real.

Ummm..I was being sarcastic, Linda...

Sorry Dan. Thanks for the clarification....my humor radar is somewhat off today.

I know the first pacemakers from 1958 used discrete electronic components like transistors although there were standalone units that used vacuum tubes. I hate to haul the latter around, you would need to be able to benchpress a Buick. B-P

Now is reality are you ready for this really?

Gee, there is a bill introduced in my state recently which will allow anyone to refuse a chip implanted in them. Someone must know something for a bill such as this to be introduced. Speaking to someone today on the phone in another state also heard about this, and actually told me more about it than I was aware of. Someone must know something.
The explanation above does not rule out the type of chip or 'medical device' we're talking about here, it just doesn't mention it.

It also doesn't require implanting anything.

That is to be seen in the future. This statement doesn't 'exclude' that possibility.
I searched the bill and this is what I found.

"State senators are moving to protect Georgians from being implanted with a microchip without their permission.

The Senate voted 47-2 on Thursday to approve a bill banning the practice without consent. Doing so would be a misdemeanor considered assault and battery.

Even with permission, implantation could only be performed by a doctor. Anyone who has a microchip implanted without their permission would be entitled to sue for damages."

Someone knows something or this would not have become an issue. I also just read that Virginia is considering similar legislation. Tell me, why now and why all of a sudden?

Sen. Chip Pearson, who sponsored the bill, says it’s a proactive measure aimed at anticipating technological advances that may infringe on people’s rights.

hmmm...a senator named "CHIP"! Coincidence?? I think not! lol

Katie Scarlett, where did your quote come from? I'd like to follow up on that, if you don't mind.

I originally read it in our local paper, and not being able to find it in the archives, I found this link.

http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/02/04/no-involuntary-microchip-implants-in-georgia/

I don't care for the comments, but to each their own as I viewed it as I say, as a news/information article.

Thanks KS...I just wanted to explore it a little further. I'm curious about some aspects of the issue.

Of course the technology has been around for years--if you've ever seen an ad for locating lost pets, that's the technology. But just because it exists, doesn't necessarily mean that it will be used in humans...although I could see some form of it being promoted for use in infants/small children as a 'if your child is ever lost or kidnapped' kind of thing....but that is a very slippery slope indeed.

I do NOT see the large-scale implantation of all adult citizens as a requirement of lawful citizenship--that is completely unrealistic.

But the possibility of it being used large scale is not eliminated in the wording of this bill. The verbiage is too loose and not explicit. That makes this a possibility.
Of course I know the technology is and has been around for a while. When I found my dog (a stray) I took him to the vet and had him scanned. The bill proposed it good to my way of thinking because at least humans will not be treated as dumb animals who don't have a say in what we do to them. I don't like the idea that this could be a situation we find ourselves in some day.

Katie, the Healthcare Reform bill does not mention implantation of microchips in people at all--it does reference that 'implantable devices' such as pacemakers, catheters, stents, breast implants--things that are used inside the human body, whether on a temporary or permanent basis--should have microchips implanted on the devices in order to collect accurate safety data on the device. Far different scenario than what Robert S. is carrying on about--wholesale implantation of microchips for no other purpose than to gather information about a citizen of the U.S. for political purposes.

I hope that the bill to which you are referring is the Georgia bill--which is indeed 'a solution looking for a problem'. "Microchip" is either a visionary or a paranoid--depending on whether you align with Robert S. or not.

The reason I think Robert is totally off base? The costs of implementation and the fact that this country would go up in flames if it became a requirement of citizenship--no doubt that is why the rumor is being spread, to cast further doubts on Obama's Presidency and the Democratic Party.

This is rumor; it is NOT real. Robert did provide the link to the bill; do what I did--click on the link and then use the search features to see if you can find any reference at all to microchips, RFID, implantation, etc. It is simply not there.

I did not see a specific list of implants as you cite. It was non-specific at best and that is my point.
It doesn't have to say or mention 'chips' to leave that as a possibility. That is my whole point.
If you mean what can be implanted, say so specifically, so there is no question later. When you leave a generalization such as what I saw, it is open to interpertation and abuse.

Just because you can't find a reference to it, doesn't mean it is not now nor can be in the future 'inferred'. The verbiage is too loose and unspecific for my comfort level.

This has been a bit of a sleeper issue that has been going on for quite awhile, usually just below the level of consumer awareness...

http://www.spychips.com/

An excellent written source to begin looking at the topic...

http://www.amazon.com/Spychips-Major-Corporations-Government-Track/dp/1595550208

So far, we as a people have only accepted this concept as far as implanting chips in our pets so we can find them when they get lost. Theoretically, we (meaning society in general) may decide that such procedures would be a good idea for our kids or our elderly, which would be the next logical step in getting us to agree to implanting ourselves.

Depending on how you look at the information that is available to the average citizen, it is extremely easy to shrug the whole topic off as lies, fearmongering, conspiracy theory nuttiness... Sadly though, there does seem to be some basis for real concern.

"When you leave a generalization such as what I saw"

KS, where did you see any generalization in the Healthcare Reform Act?
Would you please cite Section, Paragraph and Clause? Or at least a page number? I did a really thorough search on the document and did not see any language that could be misinterpreted to mean what Robert said it does.

With all due respect--if someone makes the claim that Robert stated above, they had best be prepared to prove it with specific citations. And if there is language that 'opens the door' for later modifications allowing what Robert claims is already in there--be prepared to give citations for that as well.

You need to understand the broad generalities of the 'unspoken' word and not just take everything you read at face value. It's not paranoid, it's possibility.

Quinn, I agree. Once we begin accepting the concept as a good thing, it's not long before it becomes one of those 'for the greater good' things and acceptable. From there, it can become mandatory.

Katie, I understand what you are trying to say and am in agreement with you... Why, would they report this if this had not been a topic of concern.. Someone, has tried to make this a law...and it doesnt surprise me abit with the way things are going now...

Georgia has a law on the books, approved in February, making it a crime (ok an assault) to be implanted with a chip against your will. Why would they have done this if they didn't suspect something? Why is Virginia now looking into doing the same thing?

That chip best never be put in my body, that is a sign of the devil, and no one will ever ....as long as I am alive be allowed to do that to me....and if there is even the slightest possibility that could happen it should be stricken, I have heard this talk off and on for years now, and I would not put anything past pelosi, reid or obama...and the plot thickens.

Yes, that is the believe that this could be the 'mark of the devil' as predicted in the end times. Those who refuse to wear it will be allowed to neither buy nor sell anything. The chip would fit this category very nicely.
If it ever comes to fruition, hopefully we will still be free enough to strike it down, but we don't know what will happen. That's one reason for laws making it criminal to force you to have one.......personally, I'd rather lose my human life than my spiritual one and hope I am strong enough in my faith should that come to pass.

Amen Katie!

http://www.dojgov.net/national_id_chip.htm

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2005/180205biochips.htm

http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Chip_Implants/index.html

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45409

This really isnt a new subject.

"Just because you can't find a reference to it, doesn't mean it is not now nor can be in the future 'inferred'. The verbiage is too loose and unspecific for my comfort level."

Katie, with this "logic," you might as well attack the Bible for its (lack of specifics on) RFID chips.

Now is reality are you ready for this really?

You do realize one strong magnet and any electronics wipe out.

Damn, Sue, good point...physics trumps rhetoric.

TY Linda :)

What about metal detectors? What are we going to do about all of those new "security" features at the airports?
OMG! THE END IS NIGH!

LOL, were our comment to dry for you?

Now is reality are you ready for this really?

There has been speculation about this possibility for some time. I'm sure we all are capable of making up our own minds about the inevitability of it: http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/3193-national-healthcare-will-require-national-rfid-chips

Great informational article Natalie!

Now is reality are you ready for this really?

Robert ~ This is NOW FEATURED in PROPHETIC PULSE ~ A Paradigm Shift.

I'll be back to re-read and comment. Thank you for sharing this with us!

René

Interesting comments.

Now is reality are you ready for this really?

"But the possibility of it being used large scale is not eliminated in the wording of this bill. The verbiage is too loose and not explicit. That makes this a possibility."

Using your thought process the wording does not state one cannot emplant a tree in your body meaning that makes it a possibility.

That would be true, but it doesn't make my concerns any less plausible.

I want a Willow!

Yes, but a tree wouldn't further the evil designs of an evil man/devil...the RFID would, Spencer. And no, I'm not some fear-monger or conspiracy theorist. I've had too much experience with the inevitable evil that I *know* is soon going to overtake this world for me to discount the possibility of RFID provision in the Health Care Bill.

One of the tactics of that angel-gone-bad is to first convince the populace of the absolute usefulness and inevitability of any technology/device that he plans to use to further his designs. The RFID chip is the jewel in that crown....

Now is reality are you ready for this really?

I do think that someday we will be required to be implanted with chips. But I don't think this bill is the devise to have this implemented.

Now is reality are you ready for this really?

LOL,,OK

Now is reality are you ready for this really?

I would look to Mexico and ask your self how they had the technology to do the things they are doing. They shut a whole city down the power grid, all the cell phones and all the vehicles. Why the Texas Rangers on the border? I was told in case of a mass exodus. The H1N1 started in Mexico, Why Mexico? I was told it was a test. Right now on a large scale these RFID Chips are being inserted. I asked why and got two answers depending on what question you ask. One was to protect US Business interest and the other to stop drug lords. My question of where in Sam Hell did they get that technology to do this goes on unanswered. But right now public announcements to stay out of Mexico. I mite be a couple of weeks behind on this because I have been to occupied on other things.

Been reading The Stand again?

Now is reality are you ready for this really?

The Bilderbergs have stated that the microchip will be implanted in most people from first world countries by 2017. Written two-thousand years ago, The Book of Revelation tells us, not if, but when this will happen and the handwriting is on the wall whether you want to believe it or not. Growing world chaos with a new world order looming on the horizon is putting all free people on notice. Turning a blind eye changes nothing.

I agree Simon and for those who dont know the Bible and what it says,, Had better start reading it....

The mark of the Beast? Does that make the "Rev." Wright the false prophet? Scary stuff; And I'll be d**n'd if they're going to do that to me!-Norman

There was a segment done on one of the news early morning shows, where the guest was explaining how great it was to have the vari chip implanted in his arm. That way, he said, it makes everything secure and used as "backup" ID when you are using a credit card or getting on a plane.

The marketing of these things has been ongoing for at least a couple of years.
"keep your children safe" - "keep your medical and financial records, including our will, all in one place" YIKES!

ALL farm animals were slated to get these chips as a tracking method for "disease" LOL They want to track our food supply. All animals including fish! And if you move an animal from one farm to another, you must report or be fined. If you take your horse to a horse show, you must report or be fined. All on a computer friendly data base.
So if a horse gets out of the pasture or a chicken goes astray - they will know it and be inquiring.

Yes Vickey, Norman, and Linda. People should be asking themselves what might be the catalyst that would make it all happen.

1. The spin masters are already applauding the chips advantages to find children, and animals, with a capability of having 240,000 bits of information on ever man, woman, child, and beast.

2. A worldwide financial collapse?

3. A nuclear attack?

4. Monitoring Health Care.

5. Monitoring legal citizens as opposed to illegal aliens draining health care and other dollars?

6. A One World Order spawned from darkness?

Any one of the above and more could result in having someone knocking on our door with an order for our survival. The chaotic bubble will eventually burst and then nothing will be the same.

Ya'll need to stop reading the Left Behind series...

Elizabeth , I have not read or viewed any such book or TV series that you mention. Yet I believe ompletely in what the Book of Revelations has to say about such events ... and do you know why? Wonder of wonders, I'm not going by any paranoid delusions or urge to spawn conspiracy theories - I've had practical experience of such people, those who in the coming times will readily sell their souls , those who have a certain eternal darkness in their souls.

The least you can do, dear lady, is to maintain a modicum of courtesy while debunking what you don't believe in ... neh? :)

Yes Aman, that which comes from darkness can be quite seductive. When it comes to one's faith or physical survival, unfortunately, most people will choose survival over any faith they might have left. How easy it becomes for sheep to be lead astray. And, how difficult it is for the world of man to know better even when the runaway freight train is about to slam into them at full speed.

Thanks, Simon, for that word - seductive. It was what I was trying to imply through all that verbosity. :) Yes, seductive. Mister Lucyfurr is nothing if not that - in fact,t hat will be his trademark. I like to make fun of his name, but his existence and intentions - now , that I never doubt or make light of.

I'm there with you Aman. More people should read "Littluns" and and discover what it means to be a true Christian.

Now is reality are you ready for this really?

Robert, reality can be expressed in many ways. It is the wise man who can see and understand the facts for the truth of it all.

Truth is a 300% Tax Hike, Wasn't it Obama that said no tax up it sure or was that only if they followed the rules. Ya I guess I was referring to that consta tution thingy that he used for toilet paper.

I don't believe the post about the chips. That's just silly.

Larry, you don't believe the post or you do not think it will be done someday?

I don't believe that identiy chips will be implanted in people by the government. Cattle or dogs maybe but not people. People are too easy to identify without such expense. In other words, an oppresive government doesn't need to waste money on such things to keep tabs on everyone.

(Remember that I am the guy who has been saying that everything we say and do will be observed and recorded within a few years.)

I remember that Larry, who knows it could be right now that they are observing what we are saying and doing, I also hope you are right about the chip, it would mot be needed as of right now, but who is to say at a certain time that all babies born will be implanted with those chips, for us yes it would be a large expense and I would never willing or knowingly let that happen to me or a member of my family, I would let them kill me first, sounds radical but that is how I feel, I also feel it is a sign of the beast, I have heard that for years and I believe it to be true.

Jackie,

There are lots more things more important to worry about than implanted chips.

Hell, Larry, almost the whole parliament/Govt. of Mexico was implanted , and quite a few years ago, by all accounts. Right here, in my city, there were a few very high-profile , welll publicised implants of the hoi-polloi, the richest among the rich - and I'm in India, a country still dubbed the Third World.

I've also read - though I can't truly vouch for the vericacy of those reports at the time of posting this - that the rFID as we know it now will undergo a mutation , and the second version will have thought-recognition technolgy built into it.

Before any of you scoffs at this, stop for a while and think about his - such technology already exists and is in use for medical applications, among other apps.

Now is reality are you ready for this really?

The paranoia increases astronomically. Yes, this is technically feasible, just as credit cards in Europe are now smart cards rather than magnetic stripes. These include a small microchip like the proxy cards that are used for access to secure buildings. However, the concept of chip implantation is so paranoid as to be almost beyond belief. Do you actually feel that the government will attack a tea party rally and force you all to have a chip implanted?

I have been hearing this mark of the beast crap since I was a kid many years ago. Please let me remind you of some history. John of Patmos, who wrote revelations, was a hermit living in a cave on a small island and was probably insane. Revelations is crap and was included in the testament at the Council of Nicea as a scare tactic.

Its all a matter of Faith and Faith will revel its self in every part of the Book leading up to Armageddon. Things have already became true beyond probability like Israeli People returned to the land promised by God. I would be going out on a limb to bring up The Bible Code since you don't believe in Revelations but it has verified Revelations as true. My point is that it is and God reviled it before it was needed, now is the time. When is only known by God himself.

I give up. Bible Code? Seen the shows. I can run on a computer code on Moby Dick and come up with prophecy.

Jim M, get your facts correct. the Council of Nicea convened in 325 A.D by Contstantine the 1st did NOT (contrary to fiction of "The Davinci Code" ) have anything to do with selecting books for the New Testament, be that the Revelations of St. John or any other for that matter.
The Council of Nicea only established Cannon Law for the church, requirements for ordination, Papal practices, rules for excommunication, etc.
The bottom line is simply that there are those who believe in the teaching of the Bible and those who do not. Those who beleive will most likely see the required implantation of a chip as the mark of the beast.
I personally do see it as such and will never allow it. The day anyone tries to force it upon me will be a day of reconning as I will protect myself and my beliefs no matter what and with deadly force if necessary.
Take that for what it's worth

I stand corrected but there was a selection process done although my time frame may be wrong.

However I would not allow a chip implant either, although for privacy reasons.

There are several biblical scholars who believe that Revelations pertained to what we now call Ancient Rome. That the "beast" was Ceasar.

Personally, I don't believe in "the beast" so it's all academic to me.

I have read that also.

Now is reality are you ready for this really?

Please stand fully corrected. There have been 21 Ecumenical Councils and at none of them were any abridgements, additions, or removal of books of the bible even discussed.
Like many you are confusing fiction with fact that was so overwhelmingly purported in The Davinci Code and urban myth.
If you would like to research the Ecumenical Councils you will find as I have posted.

http://www.newadvent.org/library/almanac_14388a.htm

Then please check out some of the apocryphal texts that were deleted early on. At one time they were available at Guttenburg Press.

Robert, do you know the exact page this RFID requirement is on? There are over 1000 pages and I am not going to read the whole, pathetic and forced on us, health (cough, cough deathcare) bill.

There is a link under story.

You need to add another layer of foil to your hat, the rays are getting through.

Now is reality are you ready for this really?

They are waiting until after the Rapture to chip the people - less expensive that way. Word on the street is that those who received the H1N1 nasal dose are implanted.

I think the initial groundwork started a few years ago , Sunaura. I'm not completely sure, but I do feel that strongly. Even in my city, there were a few very high-profile and wonderfully publicised implantations of the rich and the famous in 2008.

The way I see it is that they certainly have the capability but the fear factor is great enough to serve the purpose.

Show of arms and all that? I agree - it always works - especially when love is at such a high premium in the world, Sunaura.

Now is reality are you ready for this really?

I will never get chipped because this is the day I send my family to safety and go to war. I think I am slightly prepared for this but really want things to be good again as they were. I consider this internment danger, don't you?

A lot of people are that way and yes, I am one of them. I have a friend and he said the same thing, he would send the wife to Israel (he is Jewish) where it is safe and carry one here.

Israel has national health care -- just like the rest of the world. You'll have to go to darkest Africa. Geez, how clueless can you get?

Now is reality are you ready for this really?

Of course it's a lie. Remember Goebbles?

For ALL the disbelievers: Human Microchips included in Health Care Bill under: HR3200 page 1000.

National Medical Device registry
Sub Title C-11 Sec:2521

“The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of post market safety and outcomes data on each device that—‘‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and ‘‘(B) is a class III device; or ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable.”

I'm concerned about RFID too, but this is such bullsh!t

Now is reality are you ready for this really?