Obama vs. Rush Limbaugh

BO must feel threatened if he is saying "don't listen to limbaugh".... did limbaugh hit a nerve???

A desire by Rush that Obama fail is scarcely surprising! One thing for sure, Obama can do nothing to make Rush hate him more as Rush has already peaked here. Of tehh right wing extreme radii hosts, Rush has the greatest audience but sings to the largest choir as well. He uses bluster to replace logic and allows blatant likes on the part of his listeners to pass through his program as fact by his lack of denial.

I cannot see where a "war" between Barack and Rush will be anything new, or in fact, anything significant!

Of course the radical right hates Obama. Their plans were implemented and failed miserably. They are embarrassed, shamed, humiliated. Rush was out in front gloating for all he was worth ( which is considerable ) so he is among the most shamed by events. Naturally he cares nothing for the welfare of the U.S. Of course he wants to see Americans of all faiths and backgrounds suffer. He has long ago declared "war" (as in "war on terror") on moderates and liberals. He would rather a disaster befall America that see moderates succeed. It's only human. In his place I imagine I would be sorely tempted to do the same thing.

Obama's attack was stupid.
Doesn't he know we have freedom of the press here in this country?
Doesn't he know that not everyone is in love with him?
Doesn't he have better things to do - like fixing the economy?

Obama's agenda has been very clear, at least to me. Others "overlooked" what he had done and his doublespeak.

"by reversing George W Bush's ban on funding international aid to charities that perform or provide information about abortions."

Did anyone doubt he was going to use our hard-earned tax money around the world? Or about his intent to use our money to fund abortions? If you looked at his record and bills submitted, you SHOULD have known. It's part of their "population control" strategy.

And, WHY didn't we hear MORE about his goal for Socialism? Old war-for-profit media kept silent. Did they view him as the Messiah too - I don't think so. They had an agenda to follow, and it matches Obama's Marxist-Socialistic ideas.

History tells me that EVERY TIME they are bi-partisan, WE LOOSE MORE FREEDOM! We WANT the system of checks and balances, which our Forefathers established. But each party has their small social perks, but they vote the SAME on big issues. Republicrats - ALL.

The fact old media and politicians and TV anchors and reporters discuss Bi-partisan ad-nausea on the media should be your first clue to leading us to believe this is NOT a "Martha Stewart Good Thing". IT IS NOT in this country's best interest.

Hey Linda;

President Obama was elected with no problem.

What are you going to be wrong about next?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Rush Limbaugh's influence sure didn't get McCain elected!

If you really want me to think that you are anti-Socialism, then start campaigning for the dissolution and repeal of public roads, highways, police, fire, water, sewer and military departments.

Each of those "public services" are funded by taking money from people that make money in order to provide services to ALL. According to the definitions being flown around, those things are Socialist.

Hello again, Randy W.,
Thank you for submitting your article to Obama Watch

Hi Bill - uh - no way are these programs socialist, The context of which it is used in regards to the federal govt.'s control; stealing from the rich and giving to the poor - that's real socialism.

The Constitution set up our govt. so the states have control of what happens in each state. The Feds deliberately and knowingly, created the Federal Reserve in 1913. Not a part of our govt. at all - it's make up of International bankers, yet they control our money and our lives. ALL THE MONEY we send to the IRS goes directly to the Federal Reserve TO PAY ON THE INTEREST of the money our stupid govt. keeps borrowing - from the Chinese and anyone else they can fleece.

Public services are a necessity, "bridges to nowhere", and all the other things the Feds steal our money to decide where THEY want it spent.

The Federal govt was set up to PROTECT us, that's ALL. They collect enough money to do this (if they would quit making up reasons to occupy other countries and create wars) from the money from the tariffs.

IF we could keep our own money (eliminate the Fed. Reserve and the IRS), we could afford to support our state's infrastructure, afford health insurance, and spend our own money the way we want. When the create a law, they steal from us at the point of a gun.

Now Bill, I've read your posts before and I don't think you really think about what and how it is explained or how our govt. was set-up to run by The Constitution.

States need infrastructure. We don't need war. We don't need them to steal from the producers and give to those who only have their hands out. Charity at the point of a gun is not charity, it's tyranny.

The Federal Bureaucracy was allowed to get so out of control, the are arrogant enough to mandate to the States what to do. Each state has their own State Constitution, which they should utilize to protect us from the Feds.

Truth is, we have NO representation in D.C - they all vote for bigger fed govt so they, too, can line their own pockets. It's so corrupt it is out of control. Worse than Socialism - it's Fascism which is a cousin to Communism.

Where was Rush when the election was going on? Why now is he speaking out? Ratings? We knew all this during the election so his spouting it now means nothing.

The Dems have been working to shut down conservative radio for quite some time - that type of freedom of speech to the masses will soon end. Can't have us utilizing our brans - must follow blindly and deafly... Soldiers - servants - slaves...
Work for the Fed. govt. and they decide each year how much of your own money you can keep. Yep, slavery all over again!

Surpise! Obama is doing what he said he was going to do. LOL. Are you really shocked? Obama said he was going to close GITMO more than years ago. I am surprised that every detainee is not on a plane to be detained by their home countries yet. That will happen to some.

Anyways. Elections have consequences. The GOP LOST. Obama WON. You don't win and implement the other guy's ideas. Better luck in four years.

Well said Bill. Taking someone's money to fund public school is socialism in particular when that someone has decided that he will not have kids.

Federal money for highway in Alabama. Never been there, will never go there. That's socialism.

It's no wonder no one understands Socialism, that's so they can continue to pull the wool over your eyes.

We are the USSR-USA

They've plagiarized Capitalism until most people don't understand it either.

We are

Yeah Obama. Clear Channel bought so many independent stations that they almost went bankrupt whereupon they fired anyone who was not fascist far right as Rush. Clear Channel promoted Rush and it was all people had on AM to listen to for talk radio while laboring during the day. He spews hate and destruction and so far has not been taken to task for his outright lies or illegalities as any of his listeners would have been. Dominating the media was part of the plan. Buying up all media, TV, radio, newspapers and consolidating them under a few right wing nuts with more money than good sense and greed and heartless with no end. And, they brainwashed anyone without a mind of their own and who did not seek information elsewhere. Those days are gone. Those people will pass into obscurity. Those ideas will be replaced with the Constitution, Free Speech for all not just those right wing nuts agree with, and with humanity again, oh yeah and our economy set on a path to actually make this country secure and not dependent on multinationals, foreign oil, ignorance, but on a sustainable, humanitarian, truly stable economy. That's the plan with a long way to go and no time to suffer fools.

Linda A. -- Thank you for all those words. If you have read ALL or even MANY of my political and social commentary posts, then you would know that I do, in fact, quite often think about how our country was set-up.

But none of that has any bearing on my point.

People are publicly defining "socialism" as the taking of money from those who have money; in order for it to be spent by government on things that benefit people who don't have money, or benefit those who only have comparably small dollar amounts taken from them by the government.

Infrastructure certainly is very beneficial to a society; and it is absolutely essential to the blooming of capitalism, but within the context for "socialism" that people are throwing around now days, it absolutely fits.

As for me, I don't consider any of the things being argued about as socialism.

Our government was founded on the principle that it should be "for" the people. In my view, The Founding Fathers tried to establish a government that would be a good steward of it's citizens; not just a military defender.

According to Fox News Obama suggested that people shouldn't rely exclusively on Limbaugh for information. I think that's a valid point of view and hardly controversial.

someone posted a comment on here that they loved Obama cause he never lost his temper like McCain did... Ummmmmmmm... if he is telling people not to listen to Rush then do you think maybe, he did loose his cool abit???? It was a stupid remark for Obama to make.....but he has made several stupid remarks... Maybe, someone should also, ask to see a copy of his degree from Harvard as well as his birth certificate...

Vickey;

I know that research (or even thinking) isn't your strong suit. President Obama didn't tell anyone not to listen to Rush Limbaugh.

This is his exact quote: "You can't just listen to Rush Limbaugh and get things done," He wasn't talking to the general populace, he was talking to what passes for the Republican leadership.


Can you understand that? I know that the brain dead, wingnut right is interpreting it a different way.

But his actual words tell a different story.

Obama's comment was played on the news, and it was nothing like what the British press (or is it a tabloid) or this article has portrayed, at all.

Linda,

Believe it or not, I do understand our viewpoint. I don't agree with it necessarily but I do understand it. You do have a little difficulty determining which things are socialistic and just why they are. Anything done by the federal government that requires funds must be done with funds taken from unwilling earners throughout the nation. That is what you are defining as socialism and would cover police fire, paramedic and highway projects.

I don't consider them socialism as they do not involve the means of production and distribution. But in addition to the things named, one could easily add in national health care as it follows along with emergency medical services quite easily. Of course, it would be like Social Security, a self funded and independent portion of government providing an insurance and not involving either the collecting or distribution of taxes. That too, would not be socialistic.

Socialism, and it exact opposite fascism, are both unacceptable systems as far as I'm concerned and I'm quite confident that Obama feels the same way about it. He is a capitalist first and foremost, utilizing socialism only as needed to insure a civilized nation.

The closest to socialism we have come has been under the Bush administration with the so called bail out of the financial industry. Just pass out the dough, no questions asked, let it go for purchase of additional companies, bonuses or junkets as desired. That's all just great with the Republican administration which passed it out! The finance industry has platinum underwear I guess as they are so privileged!

We need to get back to the constitution and that is one of the goals of the Obama team. It has been totally neglected during the past eight years at the expense of the American people. We can do a lot of tings if done at the will of the people, to whom has been reserved the power. As long as it is done through them by their elected representation in congress. But for it to be constitutional, much transparency is critical with full accountability, and that has been severely missing for many years.

Honestly, just what do you think that eliminating the fed would accomplish? The tasks they perform must be performed and congress has delegated it to the fed. Perhaps it could be done better by a government agency but that is a new twist, conservatives wanting so something done by government rather than private industry! But the savings would be small, at best. You know, the private group is so much more efficient? That's the song at any rate.

It is regrettable that you have no representation in congress but that is hardly my fault. I do, for the first time in 16 years we don't have a 100% conservative Republican delegation! We have one conservative Democrat in the mix. The people have the representation they deserve. If they don't like it there is no one making them keep it! It only takes enough people who want better and with the will to work for and change it!

And just when was the last time you had money taken from you at the point of a gun? I've never had that occur. And in the distant past, I was behind on what i owed the IRS but never once did they pull a gun or offer to! If this is happening, I'd like to know about where and when and under what circumstances. The IRS has a job to do which we have mandated and I expect them to do it. This "point of a gun" bit sounds more like wild inflammatory rhetoric than any actual experience but perhaps I'm wrong just because it hasn't happened to me, or others with whom I am acquainted.

Clearly, I understand that you don't like Obama. That is your privilege and prerogative! I also understand that this years negative talking points are socialism and the demise of capitalism. That's clear enough. It's just not meaningful.

You are dead right that states need infrastructure and we don't need war! That is exactly what Obama wants to give you. So, where is the problem?

I do find it interesting that you consider "stealing from the rich and giving to the poor" as socialism. What about stealing from the poor and giving to the rich? We bandy about the words stealing and gun point like they weer truthfully meaningful and accurate when you know as well as I that no taxes can be levied without representation in this nation and that you have the opportunity for input. And that no one is bringing out guns.

You are a sharp person and a good writer but you are writing with your emotions and biases rather than your logic and facts available. I do appreciate your sharing your opinions with us that we might better understand each other and our view points.

Thanks!

Jim, Good comments. But, how about when the government decides how much a doctor gets paid. No negotiation - just take it or leave it. Or, what drugs you can take, despite what your doctor thinks is the right drug for you.

The government is the 1000 lb. gorilla because it has the option of forcing everyone to do something. When the government gets into the act, there is no free enterprise, no free market, ... no freedom.

It's not as simple as building a bridge that we all use. It is big brother intruding on our way of life.

Thanks for your comments.

Nippy, I don't think the work "exclusively" was anywhere in the conversation.

But, thanks for checking in.

For all of you, I don't think the President is the bad guy in this exchange. I just question whether his remark was a wise thing to do.

Mark Twain is supposed to have said, "Never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel."

I think he had a point.

"His comments followed a blunt attack on him by Mr Limbaugh, who declared on air that he hoped Mr Obama would fail as president because otherwise it will usher in socialism."

Why is Rush worried? If Obama uses socialism to fix our problems, he will fail because it doesn't work, right?

Randy W. wrote: "...how about when the government decides how much a doctor gets paid. No negotiation - just take it or leave it. Or, what drugs you can take, despite what your doctor thinks is the right drug for you."


This reminds me of our current situation, where PRIVATE FOR-PROFIT INDUSTRY makes and enforces these very same decisions on us.

Your Insurance company decides how much your doctor gets paid to treat you, what operations you can receive and what medications you can buy, and how much each of those things will cost.

It is fully understandable to me that Americans might be willing to give big government health care a try, seeing as how private industries have been failing to meet the health care needs of people over the sake of industry profit margins.

It seems less likely that government would deny adequate health care to individuals from a fear of losing money over effectively treating the ill.

"Rush Limbaugh is not in office, and is just a radio commentaor, so why the attack on Rush? Why single him out? "

You need to look at the Fox News link I posted above to see what Obama actually said. :)

Randy,

I appreciate your incitefull thoughts here! I believe that the 1000 lb gorilla is not the government but the insurance company which not only is dictatorial but has a serious conflict of interest!

That is why I favor a non profit single payer insurance administered by the government who has no conflict of interest. An insurance company has a fiduciary interest in maximizing the return to the company and the stockholders. The only way to do that is to minimize the service and payments to the insureds. Serving two masters cannot be done faithfully and honestly!

I've seen this in action for years. When I was under private insurance through Blue Shield, they would make at least two errors in payment each year with all errors being in their favor. Once I pointed them out and requested correction, they cheerfully obliged and corrected the error. After nearly four years with Medicare, they have yet to make an error either direction on my policy. There is no incentive to them to do so as their is with private insurance.

The insurance companies are as quick to say that is what we will pay, take it or leave it, and if the doctor won't take it, the policy holder gets stuck as I was in recent years for an additional $5,000 surgeon's fee because the insurance company had failed to negotiate a contract with the neurosurgeons. The insurance company is not going to loose money, it is the policy holder who will be stuck!

The insurance industry has proven to be very poor stewards of the health care for the US citizens. Their monopoly needs to cease!

Regardless how it is handled, big brother will intrude on our way of life! Big brother in the form of insurance companies works against me but in the government form, I at least get to vote on the board of directors!

Appreciate your thoughts and know we see it differently, but that is the whole reason for this discussion. Thanks, Randy!

Dan,

Rush is not in the news business at all! Not even a consideration. He is not in the information business either. He is, and is very successful at, the entertainment business. If he succeeds at this he will be on the air next month, if he fails, it's bye bye Rush! None of these talking heads are in the news business but all must entertain. Rush is no different than a rock start with an opinion on something!

"You can't just listen to Rush Limbaugh and get things done,"

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You can't just be a mindless minion of Rush's and hope for a ruined America because America voted in a BLACK PRESIDENT.

Linda,

I see a lot of things on this the same as you except for the negative spin. Obama made it quite clear what he wanted to do during the campaign. You obviously don't approve but are not surprised and then over state his goals.

Never fear, he is an avowed capitalist, first and foremost. He does believe in a sufficient amount of socialism to make the nation truly civilized. Sounds both good and reasonable to me! This change of restriction is an expected occurrence every time the presidency changes and was clear before the election. Obama is reluctant to use American tax dollars as a means of promoting anyone's religion in other countries, as has been done in the past.

Never, under Obama, will this become a socialist nation! Not that it is inherently bad but it does not work as well as capitalism to energize, innovate, generate and promote. For these you must have capitalism. Capitalism is lousy at providing fair and reasonable services where socialism excels. That is why the founders set it up for both simultaneously and Obama understands each and its relative value.

The idea that Obama has a "Marxist" agenda is just silly and I believe most people her know it. They just use it as a means to attempt to scare others but rest assured, tain't gonna happen folks!

Obama is a pragmatist, not an ideologue. He will promote those things that work. I think that is what most of us want, including you, Linda! But we do agree that he spelled it out pretty well in the campaign so those who are shocked weren't awake.

As a pragmatist, Obama will be in the company of Lincoln, Roosevelt, Kennedy, Johnson and others who made serious contributions to our nation. Let's see if he can pull it off!

Jane S. has a post that portrays an exquisite example of the mal-informed that the left needs to garner power. She speaks of the "fascist right" ??? fascism is the tool of the Progressives to coerce the mal-informed into a socialist-democracy. Media domination is not a right wing conspiracy. But it is fact that in the free market the right is winning the competition of ideas ,in radio anyway. The left still dominates print and TV.
Jane S. speaks of the Constitution and free-speech. Countless Democrats are on record saying the Constitution is outdated and obsolete. Free speech is not the dominion of the left.....far from it. They want to stop it. Silence Limbaugh or anyone else that doesn't agree with them. Last august, B. Hussein Obama tried to shut down a Chicago radio show because he didn't like a conservative guest that was on it.

BO has made a very crucial, tactical and revealing error...attacking the Free Speech RIGHTS of a Private Citizen. He has tipped his hand as to the intentions of the Left, (to squelch Free Speech) and the People had better make certain that he and the Leftists fail.

How did Prez Obama "attacK' the Free Speech RIGHTS of a Private Citizen, M-J???

By singling him out, and warning "republicans" that, in order to get anything done in Washington, they had better stop listening to him. I didn't say that he "removed his RIGHT" to Free Speech; I said that he ATTACKED it...and that is precisely what he did.

It doesn't matter folks. Obama will prove by his actions that his is ignorant. Ultimately, though, I believe he will see the light and will move so far to the right as to make Rush look like Malcolm X. He has already embraced the PNAC, saying so in very few words. Watch out you guys.....what we have on our hands is full on fascist!! from democratic capitalism to socialism, to fascism.......the left, i think in short order, will start to think Obama has lost his mind, as he and the Congress lock horns. Seems to me the guy is going to become consumed with war, and the entire war machine (government, business, military, the media). Thanks you liberal democratic left wingers, you elected a fascist to office. Better a fascist than some limp wristed "liberal".

has anyone else noticed that the left wants higher and higher taxes with bigger and bigger government......while the right wants lower and lower taxes and smaller and smaller government. Ultimately, the left wants socialism/communism, while the right would prefer anarchy (anarchy does not mean wild lawlessness, it simply means little to no government)

I am glad that we will hopefully get a black guy to run for the Republican party.....if a black guy had run for the Republican party, with conservative Republican ideals, Obama would have been laughed off of his campaign!!