9/11 family members Mindy Kleinberg and Lorie Van Auken, in a lengthy letter in the New York Times today, point out the need for a real investigation of the events of 9/11. They write:
 "Re '9/11 Panel Study Finds That CIA Withheld Tapes' (frontpage, Dec 22): Our government's official story regarding the attacks of Sept.11, 2001 tells us that 19 Arab hijackers successfully defeated the United States military by hijacking four commercial airliners within two hours on a budget of approximately $400,000. These men, armed only with small knives, boxcutters and Mace, were able to knock down the World Trade Center towers in New York City and strike the Pentagon.
 Because our loved ones were murdered on 9/11, we felt that the details of how the hijackers succeeded should be thoroughly investigated, so we fought for an independent 9/11 Commission. It seemed logical that our government would want to know what happened so as to prevent another attack.
 When the legislation for the 9/11 Commission was passed, it gave the commissioners full subpoena power. Unfortunately, that subpoena power was rarely used.
 You report that "the panel made repeated and detailed requests to the Central Intelligence Agency in 2003 and 2004 for documents and other information about the interrogation of operatives of Al Qaeda," But while the panel did make"document requests" to the CIA, it did not subpoena the CIA for the documents and tapes.
 A subpoena would have meant that the CIA would have had to answer the commission as to whether the documents and tapes existed, and the agency would have had to explain its reasons for not turning these documents and tapes over to the panel. We would have had a paper trail about the evidence.
 You also report, "In interviews this week, the two chairmen of the commission, Lee H. Hamilton and Thomas H. Kean, said their reading of the report had convinced them that the agency had made a conscious decision to impede the Sept. 11 commission's inquiry."
 The question is: Are Americans satisfied with this?
 The 9/11 Commission did not fulfill its mandate to thoroughly investigate the 9/11 attacks. A real investigation into the events of Sept 11 that examines all of the evidence has never been done and is still needed." Lorie Van Auken, Mindy Kleinberg.
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They correctly point out that the Commission's legislative mandate gave the Commission subpoena power, but this power was seldom used. Instead, as is being brought out in the investigation of the destroyed CIA interrogation tapes, "document requests" were the preferred method of inquiry by the Commission, a choice which gave the CIA the option to deny or ignore the request, which it did.
 Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission Philip Zelikow issued a memo to Commission Co-Chairs Tom Kean and Lee Hamilton stating in its summary: "The Commission made broad initial requests for intelligence information from interrogation, specifically including Zubaydah and Nashiri. After evaluating the responses, the Commission followed up with repeated requests for very detailed information about the context of these interrogations... ...Further investigation is needed to determine whether these nondisclosures violated federal law." Repeated requests for documents were made, but the documents were never subpoenaed. Mr. Zelikow was in the position to at least call the CIA's hand concerning the nondisclosures through the subpoena power the commission held. He did not. He let the nondisclosures impede the investigation he was supposed to be conducting.
 Philip Zelikow was brought into the Bush Administration by Condeleesa Rice, and is responsible for authoring the administration's policy for pre-emptive war, the policy justification under which Iraq was invaded, and Iran is threatened with attack. The events of 9/11, indirectly linked repeatedly by official government spokespeople and corporate media reports to Iraq and Saddam's weapons of mass destruction, was never thoroughly investigated. There was no need. The policy for war had already been implemented, and the false flag operation necessary to get the American public behind the war was accomplished with stunning success. Plausible deniability that an investigation was being performed was provided by multiple "document requests,"while the truth was deliberately covered up. The revelation of the destruction of the tapes is only now raising questions about the work of the commission former Senator Max Cleland, triple-amputee Vietnam veteran, called "compromised," and "a national scandal."
 My question is also, Are Americans satisfied with this? Are you satisfied with this?
"The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, but the myth: persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic." John F. Kennedy
A real investigation into 9/11 might dispel the myth perpetuated by the 9/11 commission report.Â




Comments: 28 ( 2 removed by Stephen Demetriou )
If you are interested, watch "Fool Me Twice," an Australian documentary on the Bali bombings.
http://www.911blogger.com/node/12872
I prefer a discussion about these 9/11 widow's request for a new investigation. They were closely involved in the creation of the 9/11 commission, and found its report hollow. As direct victims of the event they have good reason for wanting answers to persistent questions.
At any rate, after reading this book, your article does not surprise me in the least. Outrage? Yes. Surprise? No.
JFK wanted to smash the agency into 10,000 little pieces (I think that is how the quote goes. If not, I am sure I will be corrected!). Looking back, it is too bad he did not. The Agency has been nothing but trouble for this country. I better stop.
Great article.
Government has too much money and way too much power. They can destroy anybody. It is important to note that Curt Weldon was never convicted of any charges but the message was sent and his voice is gone now. kind of set an example for those who wanted to find the truth for the American people.
Here is a wikipedia column that explains the it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Danger
Sen. Biden was asked by a member of the 911 truth movement about whether there was more to know about Able Danger. He said there was, and hinted it would come out at some point. I have been digging into other issues with 911 and haven't looked closely at Able Danger. I will though.
Thanks, Rocco. Alot of these things can keep one up at night. I have a background in science, and am drawn to the scientific explanations to things. One very disturbing thing about the "Fool Me Twice" documentary is their explanation of the force of the second blast in the Bali bombing. Explosives leave signature damage patterns based on the overpressure values of the materials used in a blast. TNT has a certain pounds per square inch explosive characteristic. It will inflict a certain amount of damage and no more, based on the amount used. C4 and Semex, military explosives, have another psi overpressure value, greater than TNT. Looking at the damage at the crater, out 100m, out 1 km, out 2 km tells a lot about what was used. The main explosion in the Bali bombing damaged walls in buildings 2 km from the blast site. More significantly, close to ground zero, there are photos of what were once concrete slabs that were left with only the rebar grate intact... the concrete had been stripped off of the rebar lattice. The amount of force necessary to do that is immense. The official story is that a car bomb with 300 to 400 kg of, I believe, potassium perchlorate, similar to an ammonium nitrate (a fertilizer) bomb, was what caused the blast. The problem with this explanation is that type of bomb has no where near the explosive potential to do the damage that was witnessed. What is more suspicious is some of the Islamic figures implicated in the blast have had a history, like Bin Laden, of working with the CIA at one time or another. Coincidental?
President Megawhati of Indonesia was resisting Bush's efforts to join in the "war on terror" and impliment the security measures that are attacking civil liberties all over the place. After the bombing she began cooperating.
Back to 911, the questions raised by Able Danger, Sibel Edmonds, the official investigations into how the towers were brought down, and many other things begs for a new investigation.
Why did you censor me?
I kept to the topic, and used no offensive language.
Who are Mindy Kleinberg and Lorie Van Auken saying should pay for this new "inquiry"?
"My question is also, Are Americans satisfied with this? Are you satisfied with this?
I think it's highly unlikely we will ever know ALL the answers. There are just things that are not to be known - ever. So, from that standpoint, yes, I think the 9/11 Commission has done what it could. However, some people will never be satisfied.
"The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, but the myth: persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic." John F. Kennedy
True enough - and said by the guy who was shot by "the guy on the grassy knoll" (supposedly).
A real investigation into 9/11 might dispel the myth perpetuated by the 9/11 commission report.
Most likely it won't. There are just too many 'X-Files believers' out there these days - people who would rather believe in UFO's rather than reasonable, logical, uncomplicated answers to shocking events. This will most likely be a mystery even if it were investigated for 20 years and billions of taxpayer dollars.
"""While I don't agree with alot of his politics, it is interesting that there are many conservatives that see the Bush administration as a danger to our country because of its intrusion into private lives.""""
Stephen that wasn't the point and Weldon did not challenge the Bush administration he challenged the establishment. The establishment was there for Clinton and Bush and will be there for the next president. Weldon's able danger report was about getting to the truth of 911 not lost civil liberties.
Look Sandy Berger was caught and admitted to stealing classified Intel. Yeah he said that he only destroyed copies of the stolen documents he put back. Trust him. How many classified documents have been destroyed before and since by more clever thieves? Lefties refuse to care what Berger did or the establishment's culture. They only want to get Bush. Truth is what they want it to be.
If you are looking at this in terms of "getting Bush" then you are part of the problem and why the truth is so elusive. Politicians divide people to control them. Republicans are as guilty as democrats and vise verse. The denial of that by the majority of the American people on both sides of center is political bliss. they win we lose. Welcome back to the aristocracy.......
Bret, what happened on 911 had nothing to do with UFO's, and taking an honest look at why pools of flowing molten metal existed, to this day unexplained, in the basements of three separate building collapses in no way compares. Continue with unfounded references such as that and I will continue to delete your comments.
I understand that there are inconsistencies regarding 9/11 and the 9/11 Commission. However, you have to propose a much more compelling argument than "molten metal" or other such circumstantial evidence to get the attention of the general public. I can't explain the molten metal or any other minor evidence of something unusual, but that doesn't mean I'm going to toss out all the good work that the 9/11 Commission did to try and make sense of something that made no sense.
No need to delete anyone's comments, Stephen. This is all about discussion, right? That would include even the discussion that you don't agree with - but pushes the discussion forward. That kind of thing happens in an open forum like this.
Like I said, Bret, comments about aliens, or x-files do not move a discussion about this forward. I am willing to debate with you, but not with comments like that. And you know, there really are lots of folks out there who believe incredibly wacked out things. I am not interested in that in relation to this matter.
Good work of the commission? It was a sham, meant to give credence to the coverup. It was a hollow report on so many levels. The NIST computer simulations were rigged, based on imaginary inputs that bore no resemblance to reality. That is not my opinion, it is clear in the methodology used to create the desired, pre-determined output.
The Bali bombing is another case in point. The second bomb that exploded was so powerful... measured by the observable results... there is no doubt it was not what the official investigators say it was. Be skeptical, Bret, but learn the science. It is not subject to political whims. The cold hard facts speak volumes. The reasonable, logical, uncomplicated answers most always are those scientific explanations. Unfortunately, those with little appreciation or understanding of science think those explanations too complicated.
I think what really irritates a lot of smart people in this country is that 19 zealots (but amateurs in the military world) slipped under the radar of the mightiest nation on Earth and brought it to its knees for a short while. Your utter disbelief sounds similar to what my Grandparents used to tell me about after the Kennedy assassination. Its understandable.
The molten metal? Could mean anything, since there's generally been a lot of unexplained discrepancies in the 9/11 story. I tend to be a pretty firm believer in Occam's Razor : "All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best". In this situation, something NEAR the 9/11 Commission's report works. Are there discrepancies? Of course - I expect that.
Your grandparents were probably right about their disbelief. A recent sophisticated audio analysis of the gun shots points to more than one shooter. E. Howard Hunt told his son of a meeting he attended in which plans were being made to assassinate Kennedy. I am not a student of this event, though I am old enough to have lived through it and remember it well. Is it plausible to think powerful people would want to get rid of a Kennedy? Absolutely. Did it happen that way? I don't honestly know.
The people involved in the Bali bombing were trained by CIA. None have been brought to trial. One even made a highly improbably escape from a US prison in Afghanistan, and remains at large, although there are unsupported reports he was later killed. Plausible deniability. The scientific analysis of the bomb's destruction of the Bali blast points to a very sophisticated device capable of delivering explosive overpressure values well in access of even the military explosives C4 or Semex. That is based on the observable evidence, much like the observable evidence found at the World Trade Center site.
Bin Laden was trained by CIA, and the only thing de-linking him from further connections to CIA is his family's claim that they have disowned him. Anyone who believes that has to give credence to that claim. I think that is a very, very weak link in an unlikely story.
But again, the science creates for me a threshold. The discrepancies, and the active coverup to prevent the discrepancies from being explained clearly, rationally, and also the fact that that is what the 9/11 commission was supposed to do, and didn't come anywhere near to it, is all suspect. Zelikow had subpoena power and neglected to use it. Instead, now he very nearly lies about it, by justifying the commission's actions by claiming numerous document requests. The simplest solution to all of these deliberate discrepancies is that they are hiding something. You have to stretch credulity to come to any other conclusion.
Have you ever been to the School Book Depository in Dallas? I went there a few years ago, and was absolutely amazed to see just how easy the shot was to hit Kennedy. An ex-Marine marksman like Oswald would have had no problem hitting him anywhere he wanted to. Once I stood there in the window and looked out, I realized just how stupid all those absurd Conspiracy Theories were.
Since we have some pretty good footage of the bombers boarding planes at Logan Airport in Boston, I tend to believe that these zealot nutjobs most likely did what they're accused of. When you add in that a few of the passengers were able to phone friends and relatives and tell them what was going on - well, that clinches it. There's a lot more good evidence they did it, but that pretty much sums up a reasonable, short argument on the subject.
I don't doubt the planes were hijacked and flown into the WTC towers. I do doubt the Pentagon plane, but not the others. Atta, and others are documented to have spent time in Las Vegas... not praying either. Atta apparently had a taste for drink, lap dancing, and food. I believe it is the FBI that documented these facts. He was no religious zealot. You have been duped. The "will" that was found in his luggage, conveniently left at Logan, was not anything an honest to god Muslim would write. And why would he carry a will with him on a suicide mission. More likely it was planted and a fake. And supposedly his perfectly intact, undamaged passport was found lying on the street below one of the towers. How convenient.
What is your interest anyway, Bret? Nothing you come up with has any depth, or directly disproves what I have written. You can try to debate me but nothing in the weeks we have been at this that you have said has troubled me, even a little bit.
Can't say I've been to Dallas. I haven't read much about JFK's assassination. Oswald may have been an ex-marine sharpshooter. He may have hit his mark. From what little I understand about it, those facts doesn't mean there weren't more than one shooter. If a sophisticated technology is able to analyze audio tapes, which I'm sure exist, and ferret out information that was not available before, I am curious enough to consider it. If I pre-determine the answer, and refuse to accept anything but that answer, my loss. If I keep an open mind and judge the matter based on the currently available evidence, I might have to change my mind. But like I said, I have read very little about his death.
Why are you so persistent? You don't even know very much about these things. You are a curious fellow, Bret.
Persistent? Maybe.
Curious? Maybe.....lol.
I'm a skeptic, Stephen. Anything that seems just a little too complex makes me suspicious. Remember, I'm a firm believer in the theory of Occam's Razor. And your explanations seem to veer into a lot of small minutiae rather than focus on the simple but horrible result of 9/11. I think a lot of people have a problem with that.
I wasn't referring to Atta or any of the other hijackers as Muslim zealots. I was referring to them as ideological zealots, who just happened to be pre-programmed with an agenda. I too have heard that many of these young men loved wine, women and song...........and Vegas. That only proves how illegitimate their mission was - or how illegitimate they were as the ones chosen to carry out their mission. No, these guys were glory-hounds. Pathetic little men with nothing going on in their lives, but wanting to make a name for themselves, worldwide. And Osama was happy to help them.
I can't disprove anything you've said. However, like I mentioned before, it seems like more minutiae rather than something definitive.
Stephen, if you told me that Mohammed Atta was still alive and had been found, I'd sit up and take notice. If a documented CIA agent and special forces commander came forward and admitted setting charges at the WTC, I'd sit up and take notice. If Don Rumsfeld wrote a detailed 'tell-all' book about how he planned 9/11, I'd sit up and take notice.
But you haven't. You're talking about molten metal flows. I have to put that in the "peripheral stuff" category, compared to truly definitive information. I like to keep an open mind until keeping my mind open becomes absurd. There's a lot of info out there, and not all of it is believable, Stephen.
It wasn't until I started looking at the minutiae of the science that I really became interested in this subject. Science involves certain "truths" that don't change with the politics of the day. Water boils at 212F. Altitude changes that slightly, salt content changes that slightly, but it is a pretty solid fact. Molten iron doesn't just appear out of any old fire. What caused it is very compelling to me. Minutiae to you, but significant because it is unprecedented. And sometimes, the devil is in the details.
I could see Rumsfeld doing such a thing just before he dies to have some sort of sick laugh out of it. But that's not being very kind to him, is it? You may yet see someone come forward. Rats jump from sinking ships.
All 19 are dead, and they died blowing up the WTC. The BBC tried to float that little disinformation piece back in late 2001, but ended up being forced to make multiple humiliating public retractions. Let's just say they're dead, and leave it at that.
Stephen, do you have any idea how many people it would take to pull off such a gig? Tens of thousands. And yet no one has come forward in 6 years? Not likely. Any policeman will tell you that crimes that aren't solved immediately are usually figured out when one of the guilty shoots his big mouth off in public.
So far, no reports of anything like that - so now we're dealving into secondary evidence to prove vague and arguable points?
Why not just come up with one of those exploded devices from Ground Zero? I hear the area was combed with bomb-sniffing dogs and not one 'hit' was ever recorded. Now THAT seems like pretty definitive proof to me.
Tens of thousands.... not likely.
Able Danger folks have come forward. Sibel Edmonds has come forward. All have been silenced.
You have a peculiar way of ignoring the obvious. No worries. Your skepticism condemns you to what you know.
As far as I am concerned, we have nothing else to discuss about 9/11. Please refrain from commenting further on this article. As the big dog sitting on the couch with the remote, I have control of the mute button and channel changer.... and the delete button. Been nice, but we have nothing else to discuss.
When one considers that in 1983 the entire US Media (Newspapers, radio + TV) were in the hands of over 50 individuals and corporations, compared to just 5 on Sept 11. ...
http://nephilim.realrepublic.com/911TRUTHCARDS/cards/911Coincidences_14_Media.jpg
When we consider that ALL the newsfeeds were coming from just 3 main Major Networks on Sept 11 (Because of the trasmitter tower on Nth tower being supposedly inoperable)
When we consider the "Official" talking heads were ALREADY sitting in major network studios on Sept 11 even as the first plane hit the Nth tower ready to sell the "Official version" + Osama myth,....
http://nephilim.realrepublic.com/911TRUTHCARDS/cards/911Coincidences_3_Jerome-Ha.jpg
When we consider those that were paid to protect America on Sept 11th and failed miserably were all promoted...
http://nephilim.realrepublic.com/911TRUTHCARDS/cards/911coincidences_26_Montague.jpg
When we consider The Port Authority Director, the two leaseholders of wtc complex AND the owner of NEWSCORP ALL sat on the same Lobby group board as Chairpeople, and all assisted in their own small part of the Sept 11 lie...
http://nephilim.realrepublic.com/911TRUTHCARDS/cards/911Coincidences_17_ADL.jpg
When we take all these things into consideration we can consider NO. It would not take thousands of people to sell the lie. A few well paid hundred or so at the MOST. All executives all in positions able to cover up such leaks if they occurred.
The new evidence yet to be released will reveal: 2002 Bali Bombings were enacted by CIA elements in conjunction with Israel. Like it or not. Their fingerprints were all over the Bali bomb.
When Jakarta Post reporter (And Ex US marine) Robert S. Finnegan tried to uncover the entire plot in his role as EDITOR in cheif of Jakarta Post) and was unraveling the threads of deception, US-Indo ambassador Robert Boyce had him and his ENTIRE Jakarta Post team fired and removed from the country.
Nothing like controlling your own Investigation.
When Indonesian Police began to turn up RDX and C4 and other Military grade Explosives, It was time to bring in the AFP (Aust Fed. Police) Debunking forensic team. (Of which over 198 received honors and another 25 received medals for their coverup)
Mr Finnegans' investigation and his evidence has lived on since his ejection from Indonesia. Thanks to his dedicated team of researchers and his own determination in never giving up the hunt for the REAL killers in Kuta Bali.
The Incredible evidence behind The Truth About Bali Bombings yet to be released will indeed show that on the night of the Sari club blast in Kuta Bali, 5 Camouflaged uniformed Dead soldiers bodies were removed from Sangrah Hospital in Denpasar and loaded onto a plane (By people unknown) to be scooted off to Singapore THAT NIGHT.
What is known is simply incredible.
1) The plane that carried these complicit parties in the Bali Bombings was an Israeli registered Dash 7 Aircraft.
2) Its arrival at Ngurah Rai airport and its departure was attempted to be concealed by manipulating the Airport log books. (But not manipulated well enough to be completely concealed from reporter Damaso Reyes) and
3) Of the 5 Soldiers bodies, one was identified as a Brazilian Sgt with a UN observation team SUPPOSED to be over 800 km away on mission in East Timor.
Speculation as to how 5 camouflaged Soldiers even managed to get caught in a "nightclub" blast so far away from their Posts of Duty have yet to be answered. Answer these questions and uncover the real culprits behind one of the worlds most single destructive blasts in a civilian populated area.
The "official" death toll of 202 does not begin to explain the incredible real figure of at least another 150+ people that were "instantly vaporized" when the device went off. Bringing the real figure to approx. 400 or so dead and another 300 wounded...
See the newest release of FOOLMETWICE trailer on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ntrBe-sn30
Parts 1-20 of FoolMeTwice the movie here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1tLO87vzNQ
See the newest release on youtube:
The Truth About Bali Bombings Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SYSwfApjM8
and The truth about Bali Bombings Part 2 Here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo2Xc108exM
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-LONG LIVE BALI TRUTH, With respect and dedication to Robert S. Finnegan. One very brave American Patriot (And Viet Vet USMC).
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2008= TRUTH YEAR. Enjoy the truth while it lasts. Mainstream media is crumbling foundations first.